Confederate Flag License Plate Sparks Debate

Texas Might Allow Confederate Flag On License Plates

FORT WORTH (CBSDFW.COM) – Would you buy a license plate with a Confederate flag on it? State officials are looking at possibly launching a new Texas state license plate honoring veterans of the War Between the States.

Mr. Hilary Shelton, with the NAACP in Washington, D.C., said that the Civil War may not be something we want to celebrate.

“When many look at that history, we think about it in terms of secession, that is we were seceding from the Union in the southern parts of the country,” explained Shelton. “Many would view that, quite frankly, as treason, because they meant to actually destroy the existing governmental structure. But when we dig deeper, the issue becomes even more offensive to many African Americans and those that sought freedom for those of darker skin in our country.”

“When you understand the Confederate history, and what it stood for,” said Dallas resident Mark Jones, “it’s directly slapping African Americans in the face.”

In terms of the Civil War, Shelton said that the Confederate flag was actually very un-American. “It was the flag that was flown during a war to actually tear the nation apart,” Shelton explained.

“I don’t think that this will unify us,” said Carrollton resident Carolina Arreola. “Our patriotism is to the Unites States flag.”

But the Texas Sons of Confederate Veterans have renewed their push for a Texas license plate that includes the rebel flag in its design.

Thomas Muhammed founded an organization to recover reparations for slavery. Still, he would not oppose the license plates. “I don’t see how a flag hurts someone, as long as the people displaying these license plates are not killing people physically who are of African descent.” Muhammed said.

Currently, nine states already allow the license plates. A statement in a recent newsletter from the Texas Division of the Sons of Confederate Veterans said, “…the Florida Division, the eleventh state, has just filed a lawsuit against the DOT there after their request was denied. I am confident their case will prevail, because legal precedents are in place. I am hopeful that the Texas DOT also realizes this as they consider our application.”

(Note: Despite the above quote, the Texas Department of Motor Vehicles is actually the state agency responsible for the state license plates, NOT the Texas Department of Transportation.)

Shelton said that, ultimately, the issue is not about feelings over the Confederacy or those who fought in the Civil War. “The issue here is whether or not we should allow state dollars to be utilized to actually continue to advance these notions of the ‘Old Confederacy,’ and somehow or another that slavery and all those other things that were parts of that Confederacy were something worth celebrating. I think many, many of us would say the answer is absolutely ‘no.'”

However, the City of Dallas already has a large Confederate memorial and several schools named after Confederate generals.

The state board that regulates license plates has rejected Confederate flag license plates before, but the issue is set to come up again at an upcoming meeting that has not yet been scheduled.


One Comment

  1. Soonerdiver says:

    So… “Thomas Muhammed founded an organization to recover reparations for slavery. Still, he would not oppose the license plates. “I don’t see how a flag hurts someone, as long as the people displaying these license plates are not killing people physically who are of African descent.” Muhammed said.”

    Does that mean it would be ok if they are killing Asian Americans, Irish Americans or anyone else except African Americans?

    This is a racist statement from the get go… and shows that hatred is still on both sides of the coin.

    1. tea isstronger says:


      Texas would be the second or third richest nation on earth if it were no longer part of the USA. The Congress and Federal Government are going to pull all of us into the sewer of history if we do not do something quickly. Mexico already has sent Mexican Army units across the boarder into the US unopposed. UN troops may already be stationed in the US already.

      1. J Allen says:

        Yes, Texas, please secede. I will even give you bus fare.

      2. rick says:

        @ j allen: texas doesnt need your bus fair. It is the only state that is in recovery.

      3. Kev says:

        @ rick: it’s spelled “fare”.

      4. Real Rick says:

        If Texas will secede, I’ll move there tomorrow! Love Texas!!!

      5. krakenbound says:

        Anti-Federalism (Confederation) is a morally valid and highly functional political organization among states. In FACT, it was the anti-slavery forces that first proposed succession… Northern succession from the Southern States. In our highly polarized (balkanizad) society (capitalists vs. socialists), discussing a non-violent re-organization of our states into politically and socially aligned nations is logical, responsible and unfortunately, necessary. Better to do it by pen than bullet.

      6. FREETEXAN says:

        the rest of the nation would not exist for long without TEXAS!

      7. Reb says:

        If you want to continue this debate

        I suggest that you visit this link and debate with some of the folks over there – I guarantee you will get an education at

        Take the poll while you are there and kick up a fuss so the good ol boys will pay attention to you.

    2. Jeff P. says:

      The states should not be allowed to display any flag that is not currently recognized. The South was defeated and their flag should go down as well.
      No country displays the flag of another country that they defeated.
      If you want to celebrate your ethnic background join the Black Panthers or KKK.
      Government should not take sides unless of course you’re Eric Holder.

      1. larry says:

        So what’s your thought on display of the mexican flag in the US?

        Thought so…

      2. Larry Croft says:

        It wouldn’t bother me. I’m pretty much a happy-go-lucky guy who has been blessed to the point I function well with all – even people I don’t like. Here is Arizona we have winter visitors from Canada who display Canadian flags with no objection from others than I know about. However, I would not approve of some unofficial foreign flags such as one with a swastika imprint.

      3. M G says:

        The Blacks , have won and taken your battle flag. They should fly it proudly.
        I would , It was won with blood and courage. and it is history, our history.

      4. The Quadfather says:

        Dixie still stands! You can see it during the presidential elections on the electorial map.We will vote solid to get rid of the great usurper!

      5. HSDROPOUT says:

        My gosh, man. Oh, well. You have to live with yourself 24/7. Better you than me.

      6. J says:

        You are an idiot.

        So while you are at it, ban all the Mexican flags in the US, as well as any from Germany, the UK, Spain, Italy, Japan, et al, since the US has defeated them in past wars as well, heritage be damned, I guess…

        If you can’t separate warfare and belligerents from personal heritage and pride, you are a total moron.

      7. Stogie says:

        Wow, glad to see you are so dedicated to the First Amendment and freedom of expression….not.

      8. Leonard says:

        …And the Mexican flag we see displayed so often aroundour country? Didn’t we defeat THEM in the Mexican-American War?

      9. Dale Presley says:

        Since the Confederacy was made up of 13 nations (the seceded states became individual nations at that time), then all the state flags that are now flying that have not changed since 1865, should be disallowed? Yes that makes sense, keep the southern stated under the oppressed foot of the US government, just like the reconstitution era of the post war. Let’s go ahead and remove all history of the South prior to 1865. We didn’t do anything for this country anyway, did we?

      10. Jeff P. says:

        J you’re the idiot. I don’t see any of the flags you mentioned on any State sponsored items. I see that most people here have trouble with reading AND comprehending. I never said that private individuals could not display the flag of their choice, just the US and State Gov’t should not be allowed to do so.

    3. Robert Allen says:

      The ‘Civilized Indian Tribes’ had their own Confederate Battle Flags .. and the last Confederate General to surrender was an American Indian. The reason is because the battle against the Union was primarily a battle against the genocide against the Native Americans .. which did happen and which was led by none other than General Sherman .. who gained his genocidal skills by flattening Atlanta. If you are against the Confederacy, you are pro-genocide – basically no better than a filthy Nazi.

      1. Waldo Binney says:

        Good point Robert…had ancestors on both sides. There is no accounting for the ignorance of liberals and do gooders. It’s enough to make a person puke.

      2. Instigant says:

        Uh… no. Just no.

        The Civil War was definitely fought because the Union wanted there to be no slavery in the States and the South opposed them so much that they seceded.

        I hope you’re not actually in charge of anything important.

      3. adf says:

        this is a ridiculous interpretation of Indian participation in the Civil War.

        The Creeks were staunchly Pro Union, and fought on the Union side.

      4. Stogie says:

        Instigant said:
        Uh… no. Just no.
        The Civil War was definitely fought because the Union wanted there to be no slavery in the States and the South opposed them so much that they seceded.
        I hope you’re not actually in charge of anything important.

        My reply: You’re totally wrong and your beliefs are based on a third-grader’s view of American history.

    4. John Isbell says:

      The one thing that the constitution of the United States in the first Amendment says is that we have a right to free political speech. Case closed!

    5. Dave Mustaine says:

      How about Nazi Flag? I don;t see how a flag hurts someone.

    6. Nonnieg5 says:

      I have nothing bad to say about Texes,except,when driving it,it never ends! As for the confederate flag being on a licence plate…..It always seems to open old wounds. They were fighting to keep people down and treat them lesser then most people would treat there dogs. And remember who brought them here in chains to start with……The confederate flag should be outlawed and only displayed as a sad time,a learning time in our history. God Bless America!!

      1. Reb says:

        Yep, Texas is a might big State. Sorry Nonnleg5, but your info is incorrect. The Southron states fought for their freedom from what they considered a bad union. Tarriffs, not slavery, was the strongest root cause of this War for Southron Independence. What opens old wounds is when you try to suppress our tribute to thjose valant heroes who fougt for the South.

        Yes, I remember who bought the slaves to America, under the Union Flag until the last ship arrived. No Confederate ship ever brought slaves to America. So with you logic, should we ban the U.S. Flag?

        The Confederate Battle Flag is what we are speaking of here – not the Confederate National Flag (which incidentally flys at the borders of Texas along with the other 5 National Flags Texas has been under). The CBF provided inspiration for the Southron boys, outnumbered and outgunned, yet still they managed victory over victory over the Union tyrants, until they raan out of bullets, and men. Lincoln’s war cost 600,000 Americans their lives.

        Those were my ancestors, and I do not appreciate you talking ill of them.

        If you want to debate and learn more, go to

        God Bless the South and America!!

  2. Greg says:

    We have to purchase license plates to put on our vehicles. It is not like the state is using someones tax money to produce and then issue them. Shouldn’t we have a choice of what we want on them?

    1. grapost says:

      You can always cover up or cross out the flag if you don’t like it!

      1. Dan says:

        No you can’t!: Here is the law from DPS:

        Sec. 502.409. WRONG, FICTITIOUS, ALTERED, OR OBSCURED LICENSE PLATE. (a) A person commits an offense if the person attaches to or displays on a motor vehicle a number plate or registration insignia that:

        (1) is assigned to a different motor vehicle;

        (2) is assigned to the vehicle under any other motor vehicle law other than by the department;

        (3) is assigned for a registration period other than the registration period in effect;

        (4) is fictitious;

        (5) has blurring or reflective matter that significantly impairs the readability of the name of the state in which the vehicle is registered or the letters or numbers of the license plate number at any time;

        (6) has an attached illuminated device or sticker, decal, emblem, or other insignia that is not authorized by law and that interferes with the readability of the letters or numbers of the license plate number or the name of the state in which the vehicle is registered; or

        (7) has a coating, covering, protective material, or other apparatus that:

        (A) distorts angular visibility or detectability;

        (B) alters or obscures one-half or more of the name of the state in which the vehicle is registered; or

        (C) alters or obscures the letters or numbers of the license plate number or the color of the plate.

      2. The Quadfather says:

        Grapost, you have to order the Sons of Confederate Veterans flag tag if you want it. They’re not going to put this on all Texas tags. Incidently, If all y’all knew your Confederate history, you would know that displaying the Confederate flag does not support slavery, is not treason, is american and is patriotic.

      3. Reaganlover says:

        Quadfather: Thank you for calling them “tags.” A “plate” is what you use to eat food. The registration placard on a vehicle is properly called a tag. I’m from Penna. and we (usually) call them tags. However, every now and then you get someone who calls them “plates” and it just grinds at me. And I’m surprised that the author of this article used the wrong term for the whole piece.

    2. John Reagansmasher says:

      @reaganlover I wish I could punch you in the face.
      Penna? No wonder I dislike you.
      Ive been on on this planet forty five years and I’ve heard it both ways, plate first. I thought I had a friend in Pennsylvania but it was only you.

      1. dixieskye says:

        I thought it was a license plate. That’s what Ive always called it. well, Ive heard it called tag too, but mostly plate.

  3. Rpm says:

    This is a meaningless discussion by those ignorant of our history in Texas because we already have and utilize our own Texas confederate flag every day. It flew and led Texas regiments into battle during the War Between The States and now flies at every public building, in front of every school and at every police and fire station statewide. It’s commonly referred to as The Lone Star Flag.

    1. GS says:

      Waaaahhhhh…..the Texas flag is racist!

      1. ANV says:

        No only people are racists flags just distinguish groups with honorable symbolism made of silk, cotton, linen or nylon.

    2. Boots says:

      This is wrong. The Lone Star flag was the Flag of the Texas Republic starting in 1839, well before the Civil War. Whether or not it was carried into battle is irrelevant, it is not a “Confederate” flag. lf you’re going to quote history, do your research and get it right.

      1. Robert Allen says:

        Um, the Confederacy was ALSO founded before the War Between the States. The States seceded legally – joining the Union at the time was no different than Belgium joining the European Union today. (What sane State would have joined a Union or alliance in the first place if it remotely believed it could not later withdraw if the deal under which it entered changed?) It was Abraham Lincoln who changed this by force .. and by the deaths of 600,000 people.

      2. Troy says:

        Thanks Robert for shedding some light on this. The only war criminal in the civil war was Lincoln. He attacked a sovereign nation because they wanted their freedom from Union taxes. They seceded for the same reason the 13 colonies were formed independent of Great Britain. Simple history will show the southern secession had nothing to do with slavery, and that slavery was done in the south well before the north. They just wanted their freedom from the long arm of Lincoln.

      3. The Quadfather says:

        Texas was a welcome addition to the Confederacy in 1861. Texans served bravely.

      4. confederatecavalry says:

        Boots you are as dumb as dirt.It was a secession flag against Mexico.

      5. Reb says:

        BOOTS – by your statement : “Whether or not it was carried into battle is irrelevant, it is not a “Confederate” flag’ then the BattleFlag which we wish to put on Texas license ‘plates’ is not a Confederate Flag. The Bonnie Blue Flag (the first national Flag of Texas and the current Texas Flag both were carried into battle along with the Confederate Battle Flag.

        There is nothing wrong with Texas allowing its car owners an option to display their Ancesstors proud Heritage, If you don’t want it, don’t order it.

      6. Boots says:

        confederatecavalry – all the dirt is between your ears, peabrain. The Lone Star Flag was not a ‘secession’ flag against Mexico (we didn’t ‘secede’ because we never ‘joined’ Mexico), and it didn’t even exist at any time during the Texas Revolution. It did not exist until 1838 and wasn’t adopted until 1839. And if you are going to go after somebody using your idiot handle, then don’t go after somebody whose ancestors were actually Confederate cavalry. Mine served in the Texas 4th and commanded the Texas 5th. Get your facts straight and do you research if you are going to flap you piehole. is a good start.

        And Reb, back to the main point here, YET AGAIN, first there is no valid reason to have ANY decoration on a license plate except to provide more funds to our weenie state legislators to WASTE more of our money. The state government should be in the business of minding its own limited business, not diving into retail marketing. And I presume if you support the right of people to buy a Confederate license plate, you also fiercely support their right to buy one that says Black Power and Che Guevara Lives and I Heart Al Qaeda??? Freedom of speech and all that? Well, nobody’s freedom of speech is impeded by being denied an idiotic “thematic” license plate that should have no ‘theme’ in the first place. People can plaster idiotic stickers all over their car now, and without a penny of taxpayer expense being appropriated do to it. POLITICS DOESNT BELONG ON A LICENSE PLATE AND THE STATE (and FEDERAL_ GOVERNMENT SHOULD GET ITSELF BACK INTO THE BUSINESS OF BUTTTING OUT OF PEOPLE’S PRIVATE BUSINESS.

        But the most important point here is slavery was an abomination, no matter how you slice it, and there’s no good reason to advertise the Confederacy on a license plate, no matter how noble your intent (just as there is no legitimate reason to advertise a murdering little punk Marxist like a Guevara, or Black Power to promote the racist Black Panthers or a flaming KKK cross for a bunch of knuckle dragging mouth-breathing psychopaths). No matter how noble many of the Confederacy’s aims might have been (the preservation of valid states rights, adherence to the original intent of the Constitution against an increasingly over-reaching and corrupt Federal government of the time), and no matter that the vast majority of Southern soldiers and cavalrymen didn’t own slaves and fought for the more noble ends themselves, the mere fact that slavery was practiced in the South was a stain on both the South’s honor and that of the nation. Yankee slave trading economies of the time (New England where the slave ships were based) also shared this dishonor. Enslaving your fellow man is a sin so contemptible and vile so as to eclipse any other virtue a nation might claim to possess. Are you going to say its ok to put a NAZI flag on the plates because they rescued the German people for the depths of a crippling depression? I guess we should forget about the millions they murdered then, and the hundreds of thousands of Americans that fought and died to end their reign?

        If you want to have the flag displayed and used at Civil War reenactments and battles to educate people on the causes, actions and effects of the war, I have not problem with that. History should indeed be taught fully and openly, so future generations don’t make the same tragic mistakes of the past.

      7. Reb says:

        Boots says: “And Reb, back to the main point here, YET AGAIN, first there is no valid reason to have ANY decoration on a license plate except to provide more funds to our weenie state legislators to WASTE more of our money. The state government should be in the business of minding its own limited business, not diving into retail marketing”

        Boots, I guess you didn’t know that here in Texas we can buy what the DMV calls ‘Special plates’. You have to pay extra for them, and in some cases you have to show identification to show that you belong to the organization the plate represents. That extra money goes to the State, so it is a profitable item.

        Now you are bad mouthing the right of the Sons of Confederate Veterans by trying to compare them to hate groups, but they are not – they are a Heritage Group, and have the right to have such plates.

        Your arguments about various hate groups and the rambling bumbling way you try to attach Slavery to the poor farmers and townspeople who fought against an invading yankee army shows me that you really don’t have a good grasp of the knowledge necessary to debate those issues.

        I suggest that you visit this link and debate with some of the folks over there – I guarantee you will get an education at

        Take the poll whole you are there and kick up a fuss so the good ol boys will pay attention to you.

  4. A. Adams says:

    The MAIN reason for the Civil War was over tarriffs. The South wanted to have free trade with Europe and the North wanted to levy heavy taxes and tarriffs to pay for its infrastructure and growing government. Does this sound familar??? Yes slavery was a big part of it to. Today, the South is pro free trade; look at all the foreign manufacturing in the South versus the decaying industries in the North. I’m not a secessionist, but the words Jefferson Davis said “the cause for which we fight is bound to reassert itself in another time and in another manner” sure look look prophethic. A region that is becoming a financial power combined with a history independence, a seperate culture and a mistrust of Washington DC and/or strong central government will eventually lead to an impasse.

    1. Tom K says:

      Durnit- we were having such an insanely emotional discussion and you had to go and bring facts into it.

      1. GerryWayne says:

        I love how the brain-drips claim the Civil War was about slavery.. when ..checking some old slave sale posters and sales records.. most sales started at $1000.00 and went as high as $30,000.00 Not exactly pocket money for people that averaged less than a dollar per week pay check.. Therefore , applying logic to the situation.. it is obvious that only a few Plantation owners were able to buy slaves.. and there were also whites that sold themselves into indentured servitude.. and I dont think there would have been so many people joining the Confederate Army just to defend Slave Owning Plantations.. aka.. going to fight for the rich.. obviously it was about other things..

    2. Don in Texas says:

      This is the most educated post in the entire section. Wars are always about either money, land, or religion. Anything else is pure propaganda.

      1. zhorkon says:

        I’d go further and say that wars are always about money, money and more money. A lot of the Confederate draftees “back in the day” understood this better than most of us do: Ever hear their complaint “Rich man’s war, poor man’s fight”? Most Confederates, like most Yankees, owned no slaves. They owned no large plantations or manufacturies in which to profit from the “peculiar institution” – or from the wage slavery of the pre-union North. Southern society did cultivate a climate of bigotry and racism since the South’s “leaders” found it useful to divert attention from their own rapacity by setting the “white trash” – what we’d call “the little people” today – against someone even lower down on the social ladder. But this propaganda driven nonsense doesn’t detract much from the individual, common Confederate soldier, whatever his level of consciousness and allegiances. He was generally a brave man and worthy of respect on that basis alone.

      2. Outrider says:

        You must be a History major because you just summed up the 3 Keys to History.
        Regards from the Oklahoma.

    3. Daniel Megibben says:

      Amazing a logical post! Also don’t forget the UNION SLAVE STATES Delaware, Kentucky, Maryland, Missouri and West Virginia… Far from a war for/against slavery it was a war concerning economics and taxation. Slavery was only brought in later as a moral rallying point. Also many in the Confederate states were abolitionists even Gen. Robert E. Lee

      1. tharp42 says:

        A lot of revisionist BS. The Civil War was absollutely about the preservation of slavery, which is as ECONOMIIC as it gets. The whole southern economy was dependend on the “peculiar institution,” and the South seceded to keep it in tact. Face facts: The South tried to break up our great country in order to perpetuate a practice that is straight-up evil. They were on the wrong side of history and deserve everything they got.

      2. Tom Whitfield says:

        Tharp42, Daniel is right. The Civil War was fought over the base issue of States’ Rights, and whether the State or the Federal government was supreme. The Southern States argued that the 10th Amendment gave them the right to allow certain things within their borders – such as slavery – and the Federal government had no power to regulate that.

        The South seceded over this issue. While the specific issue that caused secession was slavery, the overall guiding concept over which the States seceded was States’ Rights vs Federal Sovereignty.

        After four years of war and over 600,000 dead, the Federal government now reigns supreme, and look where we are. The war also decided the implied right of a State to secede from the union if the State believed the compact between it and the union was being violated.

        Make no mistake, a State joining the Union was a compact between the two parties. It was understood before the Civil War that States retained the right to voluntarily separate from the union.

        The War didn’t start when the States began to secede; the War started when the United States failed to remove its military presence from the soil of the State of South Carolina, which was no longer a part of the United States and had requested the Federal troops be removed from its territory since the lease on the land at Ft. Sumter had expired. Lincoln decided to reinforce Ft. Sumter instead, which South Carolina regarded as an Act of War.

        Several States now are pushing the States’ Rights issue again. I’m very concerned as to how this will play out, as a secession movement is beginning to rise again in several states.

      3. Troy says:

        Wake up and check where the ports were located that brought in the slaves. The only revisionist history is due to embarrassment from the North. The slave trade is what funded the war for the North. Putting your head in the sand and ignoring the truth is the northern revisionists job, along with the scallywags that moved into the south, post civil war to take advantage of Shermans genocidal tantrum. You need to look past the political slant of Lincoln and see what really paid for the Northern troops. The answer was, the Slave Trade. Philadelphia, Boston, New York, all Northern ports, read a book and find a southern port that brought in slaves. Right there were none. Learn the facts. The south DIDN’T break up the Union at the time, they broke away from the union. They were a real Sovereign Country, and Lincoln was wrong by creating a war with another country. This country was recognized by the existent US constitution. It was the northern liberals who created the slavery point to give a moral backing to the north’s false claims. Truth is just like now the north would have been bankrupt without the tariffs levied on the south.

    4. Bawlamer Merlin says:

      Excellent post! And the Lincoln worshippers need to look up Lincoln’s speeches during the 4th Lincoln-Douglas debate to find out how he really felt about black and white people being together. I’m white and my beautiful, intelligent wife is black. Let’s just say that we disagree with The Great Emancipator’s views on the subject. It’s always better to check out primary source history than to rely on what has been filtered through the “education” system.

  5. jill says:

    No, no, no! This is not the flag that represents anything but slavery! Haven’t you read the Constitution from the Confederate States? Do your homework and read it for yourself.

    1. ANV says:

      No, No, No, this flag represents Independence from tyranny, honor, integrity fortitude,of Confederate Americans, by all means compare both Constitutions! Slavery has existed under most flags which existed before 1900.

      1. Good Stuff says:

        Texas – We hold as undeniable truths that the governments of the various States, and of the confederacy itself, were established exclusively by the white race, for themselves and their posterity; that the African race had no agency in their establishment; that they were rightfully held and regarded as an inferior and dependent race

  6. GS says:

    We need dixie license plates about as much as we need discussions about reparations.

    1. Ornley Gumfudgen says:

      Just about as much as we need vanity plates an bumper stickers claimin “My kid is better than yer kid.”

      Look, it ain’t nothin more than a vanity plate an th financially strapped government is only tryin ta defer costs ta those vain enough ta pay fer thair vanity.

      Now ya can have th government increase th fees fer yer own plates if ya want but personally I’d like ta see th insanely vain people pick up that cost an leave me alone.

      Hey, if ya want a pacifist or a redneck plate, it don’t make no difference ta me especially if yer vanity lowers my cost of doin business.

      Besides, most of ya don’t even know what true racism is really all about an are simply tryin ta squeeze a little money out fer yerselves as ya promote yer own brand of racism.

      Get yerself a sharp knife an cut yer arm with it. That red stuff runnin down yer arm is exactly like th red stuff runnin down everyone else arm an th color of th skin don’t make a damn bit of difference.

      Actin out against or protectin one race over another is nothin more than racism an either way ya look at it it’s wrong an we got more important issues ta deal with.

      1. HSDROPOUT says:

        I have a vanity plate and a license plate frame that reads “My son is on the warden’s list at Florence.” The plate is for ego building and the frame is to show the world my superior humor.

  7. Kim Dar says:

    It is part of the history of this country and there is nothing that can be done to erase it though many have tried and are still trying. I just see it as a flag that used to fly over the south period. Get over it, we cannot pick and choose what history we want to celebrate. Where would be as a country if we had now gone through this part of history?

    1. GerryWayne says:

      MAybe “we” will put away our flags when “they” stop using slavery as a crutch for everything they do.

    2. Gene says:

      History is constant, remember that

  8. Braxton Bragg says:

    The flag is a part of our history, and many of us had ancestors who fought for the South during the war. Its the non-native yankees who are stirring up all the trouble about this. If they don’t like Texas then let them go on back home to their crumbling cities in the north.

    1. Zachary Taylor says:

      Double shot your guns and give them hell, Bragg!!

      1. taildrag says:

        Cowboy hat clowns.

  9. dhincc says:

    “Many would view that, quite frankly, as treason, because they meant to actually destroy the existing governmental structure”. Mr. Shelton is incorrect as well. If one actually bothers to read the Federalist Papers or anything else written during that time period, they would find that there was not only a “right” for participating states to seceed, indeed, there was an obligation to seceed from a too powerful federal government that was attempting to seriously overstep its constitutional authority. Right or wrong, and for whatever reason or no reason at all, the states had a legal right to seceed. The “union” was voluntary. That’s why, up until the War Between the States, every speech given by a president of this country that referenced this country used the term “these united states” (several, forming one). During and after the war, all the way to present day, it’s “THE united states” (ONE, not several, as the constitution intended).

    As far as the plates are concerned, when you go banning something because it may be offensive to someone (even something as innocuous as a small flag on a license plate) you’re skating on thin ice. “The issue here is whether or not we should allow state dollars to be utilized to actually continue to advance these notions of the ‘Old Confederacy,’ and somehow or another that slavery and all those other things that were parts of that Confederacy were something worth celebrating”. Oops. Mr. Shelton is incorrect … again! State dollars? I was under the impression my overpriced state fees paid for the plates on my vehicles. I’m only allowed new plates every so many years. If I want them before that, or a certain design, I PAY! Correct? Let em have the plates, if they want them. If you’re “offended”, don’t take yourself so seriously and grow up!

    1. aubreyfarmer says:

      Smedley Butler said all wars are a racket and he was right. Guess who owned the majority of slave ships that brought all the Africans to America. Now who do you think were the quartermasters providing everything under the Sun to the North. “Wars are the Jews harvest, for with them we take the Christians gold, we have killed 100 million of them, but the end is not yet.

  10. Bawlamer Merlin says:

    I wonder if any of these folks’ descendants are okay with it? I would imagine they are.

  11. jc says:

    For those who don’t know the facts, the Stars and Bars is not a representation of slavery. It represents a country in wihch broke itself off from an over dominant Federal Government. The wanted their freedom, just as the original 13 colonies wanted theirs…

    And in regards to the slavery issue……….less than 10% of the each southern states population ownded slaves.

    1. ST says:

      The “Stars and Bars” is NOT the Confederate battle flag though it’s often confused. The “Stars and Bars” was the first national flag of the Confederacy.

    2. Bob says:

      all you folks must be loved by the MSM and the communists, after all you seem to match the parodies that they imagine what all true conservatives are like. F*** the confederacy and f*** every traitor to the U.S. Seriously, do we have to go on about how the viet-cong were right, or that the Soviets were misunderstood?

    3. Bawlamer Merlin says:

      I wonder how many anti-Confederate flag mouth-breathers have ever actually read the Confederate Constitution?
      “Section 9 – Limits on Congress, Bill of Rights

      1. The importation of negroes of the African race from any foreign country other than the slaveholding States or Territories of the United States of America, is hereby forbidden; and Congress is required to pass such laws as shall effectually prevent the same.

      2. Congress shall also have power to prohibit the introduction of slaves from any State not a member of, or Territory not belonging to, this Confederacy.”

      Men like Robert E. Lee knew that slavery would not last forever. Many slaves had already bought their freedom. One last point, has there ever been any country that does not have war, bloodshed and slavery in their history?

  12. elihu says:

    I’m all for a Texas license plate with the Confederate Flag BOLDLY showing on it!

  13. T Bonham says:

    When I read comments about this subject I am always surprised by the lack of critical thinking that goes into opinions. Slavery aside, think for a moment….a 18 year old poor white kid from Virginia (or any other state in the South) with no opportunity to own an another person (definitely against the moral laws of our day and against the spirit of the DOI) and will probably always farm a piece of land not his own, decides to join fellow soldiers in risking their lives for something they will never be able to financially afford. Does that make sense to you?

    Of course it doesn’t the Civil War was more a war for freedom, in to different ways. Mr. Lincoln’s war had the unfortunate unintended consequence of Saving the Union but killing the Republic. He won the war of freeing Black americans but enslaved all to a Ever expanding Federal government.

    1. aubreyfarmer says:

      Absolutely right. Did you know that Lincoln had an affair with the illegitimate daughter of King Leopold and that affair resulted in the birth of twin girls. John Wilkes Booth was Mrs. Lincoln’s opium dealer and a part of the Southern security apparatus. Booth was paid to help kidnap the President but Mrs. Lincoln had already shot him in the head when Booth attempted the kidnapping. Seeing he had been double crossed he jumped from the balcony to escape and broke his leg. I think this part was left out of the history books on purpose. I mean after all, what would we think.

  14. Keep_Honkin_I'm_Reloading says:

    A “slap in the face to African Americans”?

    a slap in the face?

    What I consider a “slap in the face”, is constantly hearing how blacks(not “African Americans”) somehow think they are owed reparations, Affirmative Action, Welfare, Black Caucusing in govt, their own pageants, “history” month, colleges, college funds… and on and on and on.

    Why should they be the only one’s afforded some sense of racial…excuse me “cultural” separation and/or celebration?

  15. John says:

    I am sure that many German soldiers fought honorably, but that does not take away from the hated memory of the Nazi’s. The Nazi flag is a symbol of hate. To many people, African American and others, the Confederate flag is as hateful as the Nazi Flag.
    I am a tea party member. I am not a left wing loon. I know the southern poverty law center has little to do with law as it has to do with socialism( communisn really) Most of my mother’s relatives were from South Carolina and North Carolina and in fact were leaders in those states. Nazi’s believed in race superiority. Many in the south felt the same about African’s.

    1. rick says:

      “I am not, nor ever have been in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races. I am not nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of Negroes, nor qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people. And I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will ever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. … And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior and I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race.” – Abraham Lincoln in his fourth debate with Stephen Douglas in the campaign for the United States Senate on September 18th of 1858.

  16. Mr. Clark says:

    “Texas = redneck ignorant savages”

    Is it TX rednecks who raped 35000 woman last year? Or commit 55% of the violent crime in America while only 13% of the population (eight times as high as whites for murder and more than ten times for robbery )? Guess which “community” these figures represent and therin you will find savagery in its truest form. These figures disgust me far worse than any flag ever flown.

    1. Keep Honkin I'm Reloading says:

      Right on Mr Clark

      It must also be Texans who are robbing(at will) one strip mall after another.

    2. BDub says:

      i have never been called a savage. When lefty windbags see the numbers you presented, it is still the white community’s fault for not doing enough for the other community.

    3. trouble says:

      Lieing like a rug you are.

      You seem to be very clueless about the state you are insulting.

    4. Tom Whitfield says:

      Citation for your numbers, Mr. Clark? Or did you just pull them out of your posterior? For example, according to the FBI’s Uniform Crime Report, there were 8,287 rapes committed in Texas in 2009, which is the most recent year for statistics as of now, not 35,000.

      Texas ranks 15th in violent crime in the United States, according to the 2009 FBI Uniform Crime Report data, so I fail to see how Texas can have 55% of all the violent crime in the United States. Texas has a violent crime rate of 516 per 100,000 residents. Compare that to the District of Columbia’s violent crime rate of 1,508 per 100,000 residents.

      You, sir, have just invalidated any argument you may have on this thread since it’s apparent you have no idea of that which you speak, and have no concept of actual facts.

      1. jacksonj says:

        he specifically said “crime in America” not Texas. wow you are an idiot.

  17. Robert says:

    And the persecution complex continues…

    This isn’t a big deal. I know for a fact that SCV tags (complete with the battle flag) are available for purchase in SC and NC. I’m quite sure that they’re available in GA, as well. And, you know what, the world hasn’t imploded on itself.

    Those who take issue with this really need a hobby.

    1. Jason Bullard says:

      10 4 on that Robert. We have them here in Georgia and our SCV here receives a portion of every one that is sold and we use those monies to build memorials to those soldiers who fought for the freedom from Mr Lincoln. Some of you folks really need to read a book and learn what Lincoln actually stood for. So those of you who think the Emancipation Proc. freed a single slave you should learn your history. And while your at it google the Corwin amendment. That was offered by the north to the south which stated slavery would be legalized if they agreed not to secede. Well guess it wasnt totally bout slavery was it?

  18. PatriotAplha says:

    I will put one on all 4 of my vehicals.

    1. Kev says:

      It’s spelled “vehicles”.

    2. Bob says:

      shoes don’t count friend.

  19. rbblum says:

    Historical relevance and significance should be honored . . . The flag (of 1824) that was flying during the Texas War of Independence should be replicated on license plates . . . not a Confederate flag.

    1. Bob_in_TX says:

      The 1824 flag isnot relevant to this particular organization. It’s more relevant to the Sons of the Republic of Texas and NOT teh SCV. Perhaps the Stars and bars on theSCV plate should be replaced by the Confederate First National Flag. I doubt those who protest would be able to figure it out then.

      1. Mike says:

        Actually, Bob .. the Stars and Bars IS the First National Flag, and not the Confederate Battle flag

  20. Beau says:

    I want one bad. Sign me up!

  21. Bill says:

    During and before the civil war the north had slaves. To say the people of the south were the only people in America who had slaves is completely false, and unfair to southerners. Just as in the north, their were southerners who thought slavery was repugnant.

    Everyone should look up Hk Edgerton on yourtube.

  22. Kevin says:

    The plate honors the Sons of Confederate Veterans from Texas. This group does not allow racism of any sort in its membership. It simply is a tribute to those who fought and died for the State of Texas from the years 1861-1865.

    To those who are so against honoring our war dead, I’d advise you to be consistent, and also protest against honoring Texans who died in WW1, WWII, Korea, Vietnam, Gulf War 1, Gulf War 2, Afghanistan, etc.

    To those who claim they are fighting racism…have you noticed the US criminal justice system has more African-Americans in prison/jail NOW than were ever slaves? Protesting a license plate honoring our State’s war dead does nothing to solve those problems.

  23. Bib_in_TX says:

    Try this link to teh Wall Street Journal, a far more reliable source than the NYT

  24. dpkirpy says:

    Blacks have stereotyped themselves. Droopy pants. Deadbeat dads. Gold toofs. Spinners, and lets not forget crack. Maybe we should have a flag with a pick or a fro’ or a solid fist. Yo, youknowwhaIamsayin?

    1. rick says:

      actually a political party has steriotyped them. You couldnt collect welfare if there was a man in the house. Strong black neighborhoods in harlem an san fran found many of their buildings condemned and relocated while “maintenance” was to be performed.. yeah that never happened. Ever woder why walmart isnt allowed in many of these hardcore liberal cities? too cheap. Their “impoverished” might have a chance to slip from under their thumbs. Jobs and low priced food, cant have that.

  25. Htos1 says:

    Fact:Alex Haley stole and plagarized the ENTIRETY of “roots”,in other words,he made it up and lied.Confederate history is ABOUT STATE’S RIGHTS.Get used to it,and quit revising history,it won’t work,and the south can EASILY win this time.
    Yeah,ol’ Alex was laughing all the way to the bank with the wink and nod of the Jimmah Cahtuh dhimmicrats.

    “In Haley’s tale, it is the whites who enter the forest and enslave the blacks, not Arab slave traders, not
    other blacks. Since Kinte is unconscious through the period of transaction, the reader has no picture of
    African participation in the slave market, nor of any Portuguese or Hispanic involvement in the slave
    As a Muslim, Kinte does not sense any virtue in Christianity. Indeed, it strikes him as crude and
    hypocritical. Coming of age during the revolutionary period in Virginia, Kinte sees the revolution as
    inherently fraudulent: “‘Give me liberty or give me death,’ Kunta liked that, but he couldn’t understand
    how somebody white could say it; white folks looked pretty free to him.”
    Approaching 70 when “Roots” debuted, Harold Courlander was shocked to read it. For the previous 30
    years or more, Courlander had been traveling the world collecting folk tales and writing about his
    In 1978, Courlander sued Haley in a U.S. District Court in New York for copyright infringement. The
    suit cited 81 passages that had been lifted from Courlander’s “The African,” as well as the plot and
    certain characters. Haley’s defense fell apart when, during discovery, the plaintiff’s lawyers found three…”

    1. Mike says:

      Which state right was important enough to go to war over? Remind me… I seem to have forgotten…

      1. Curtis from Texas says:

        self determination

      2. Another Mike says:

        Now this is funny, indeed. Why did the South fight? Because they were INVADED. The South didn’t “go to war”. The war was brought to them simply because Uncle Sugar didn’t want to lose the tax revenue the South provided. Oh.. and BTW, Slavery was legal during the entire war. Why fight for a right one already had? Reckon US Grant was fighting to free the slaves he owned?

  26. Dan says:

    If YOU used the Official Confederate Flag, that’s one thing but What you tink is official is the Confederate Battleflag…And, the term “Redneck” comes from the Union Coal Miners whofought and died for Union Rights in the 1930! If you spout History, at least know HISTORY!

  27. meimeimei says:

    I say hell yes, It is the only flag that will instill any pride into the people of this country.

    1. Bob says:

      Obviously you’re not an American. The only flag this country needs is the AMERICAN flag

  28. Austin Texan says:

    David, you really really need to get your facts straight on this. You’re really embarrassing yourself.
    Sorry young man, but you’re hatred of southern white folks is painful to read and you’re a complete laughing stock. In modern parlance, EPIC FAIL.

  29. Byron Horn says:

    What should be considered here is that this is the only nation in te world that honors a previous flag of rebellion and those Americans that fought and died under it.
    Both sides were American. Those honoring the confederate flag today are loyal Americans.

  30. Big Kountry says:

    Im proud of who I am and where I’m from. A white, christian from Texas. I fly many flags at my house: The American, Texas, DeZavala,Texas Battle, Gadsden, Confederate and the Klan flags. Im proud of my heritage and display it proudly.

  31. Jack Smith says:

    The NAACP should be far more concerned with the state of the black family than this flag!

    1. Keep Honkin I'm Reloding says:


      1. david says:

        Texas should be more concerned with it’s utter dependency on Federal dollars to float it’s make believe economy than making racist license plates…..

    2. John says:

      Absolutely. The babble from the Washington, D.C. NAACP just shows their ignorance. The Freedman’s Bureau is still passing out freebies after all these years. The NAACP keeps whining and they keep getting stuff from the government. Who is hurtng who? If the NAACP would stop thier politically correct B.S. and address the total failure of black families in America we would all live in a better, safer, and more productive country. Seems like the CSA flag shouldn’t even be an issue here.

  32. The Geatest says:

    Any state should offer a plate with the confederate flag. Who the h e lo l are the racist blacks, particularly the NAACP, the biggest group of racists in the USA to say what is hurtful or not. Of course blacks are going to try to put of the Confederate flag as hateful. it represented the people who knew freeing the slaves would be the end of this being a great country. Our current state of affairs is proof they were right. They disagreed with the Federal Government back then and left the Union. It was perfectly legal then and did not mean they wanted to overthrow the existing government, they simply wanted no part of its insane policies. Sadly, today only Texas retains that right.

  33. Austin Texan says:

    The Civil War is not something to be put away and forgotten. Too many people suffered and died for many noble reasons. It’s the defining moment in our country’s history and should be remembered in whatever ways possible. If that includes Confederate flag license plates, so be it. God bless Texas and the United States of America.

    1. Still learnin says:

      Amen. Thank you to those brave Texans, Arkansans, & Mississippians who came to defend my state (that did not secede from the Union, declared its neutrality, and refused to send state troops to subdue its sister states) nearly 150 years ago from an invasion by federal & northern state troops. Oh and my state was subjected to martial law, suspension of commerce by miltary decree,, and suspension of the writ habeas corpus by those carrying a flag other than the Stars & Bars.

  34. theCarpathian says:

    Mr, Hilary Shelton of the ACLU has trouble making a distinction bewteen “celebrating” a Civil War and “Commemorating” the sacrifice made by the sons of Texas during that war.

    The war happened,moron. No amount of Politically Correct BS can change the facts. And no amount of Politically Correct BS should be allowed to color the perception of and denegrate those brave individuals who fought for what they believed to be right.

    Remember them .. honor them .. and in yhour own personal way, “commemorate” the sacrifices of blood and lives that they made.

    And no, the Confederacy didn’t lose … any more than the Union won. With the tremendous loss of life on both sides, NO ONE won — the entire nation lost an entire generation.

  35. Confederate Dead says:

    Texas has a huge confederate monument in the capitol’s garden:

  36. Snow says:

    I’d rather see a confederate flag flying than a Mexican and Rainbow flag flying (currently flying under a US flag on a federal building in Richmond). The other option would be to make it illegal to fly or have any flag other than the USA flag on government buildings, cars, etc… Fair is fair and wrong is not right.

  37. Kevin says:

    Honor Texas’ War dead, approve the SCV plate!

  38. Snow says:

    If the Mexican flag can fly over US post offices (as in CA) and the Rainbow flag can fly under the American flag in front of a federal building in Richmond, why can’t the confederate flag be displayed on Texas plates? OR NO FLAGS OTHER THAN THE US FLAG ON GOVERMENT PROPERTY!!!

  39. robert says:

    Funny. Every Texan I have ever known takes great exception to being called a Southerner. So why would they want a so-called Southern symbol on their license plates?

    1. Kevin says:

      Most fellow Texans I speak to are proud of our Southern history and connections. Where do you think men like Sam Houston, Davey Crocket and William Travis came from?

      1. theCarpathian says:

        Crocket and Houston were from Tenessee. Houston, also, was a “foreigner.” All of them came to Texas for the free land and a change to start over.


  40. Jeff Davis says:

    It almost makes me want to move to Texas to get one!

  41. Coe says:

    Kudos the Texas and it’s people for waking up to the evil of political correctness. Sorry Libs, Americans are getting over being PC and going back to speaking their minds and thinking for themselves….something individuals that call themselves Liberal should try. Do as you think, not as you are told!

  42. NiteNurse says:

    So many younger people and some older ones too have forgotten exactly what the civil war was all about. We have become ignorant about our past. No wonder why history tends to repeat itself.

  43. jj says:

    I really have a hard time understanding all of the hatred. The War Between the States was not about slavery, although the liberal history taught in school would make you think it was the only issue. If you read the Constitution of the Confederate States of America, you will find that they too wanted to end slavery even before Lincoln was considering it. The Confederacy was more about state’s rights than slavery.

    1. Mike says:

      Not about slavery…balderdash.

      Again… WHICH state right was important enough to go to war over?

      Um… Yeah, that’s right: SLAVERY.

      1. Kevin says:

        The right not to be an economic colony of the north.

      2. Still learnin says:

        I think they called it the 10th amendment.

      3. Robert E. Lee says:


        You’re a straight up idiot. If you really think the entire war was based on who was pro slavery or con slavery you obviously didn’t pay much attention in American History class. Lincoln didn’t really start preaching anti-slavery until the war wasn’t going so well for the North. It’s too late to educate your ignorant a$$ now, but I would like to ask you who the hell says “balderdash” anymore? Are you some kind of limey?

  44. Northerner says:

    I would buy this plate in a heartbeat up here in Minnesota!

  45. keith says:

    There are FAR more important things for the state to be looking at than whether or not to put the stars and bars on a license plate. There is a time and a place to show off the flag, but its not meant to be on a license plate. Just like abortion shouldn’t be on a license plate, neither should this

    1. Bill from Dallas says:

      Well said!! Texas should concentrate on stopping illegal immigration and deporting ALL of those illegals already here. And, we need to SECEDE from Obama’s socialist country.

      1. MOTIMER says:


    2. Kevin says:

      Apples and oranges. Organizations in good standing are allowed to sponsor specialty plates in Texas. It is a way the State increases funding. Causes such as pet adoption, alumni organizations like UT/ATM/TECH/LSU, the arts etc., are all available.

      The SCV is a fine organization that honors Texas’ war dead. It has just as much right as any of the above to sponsor a specialty plate.

  46. john says:

    Why not allow the nazi flag? Same thing. Same idealogy.

  47. rashid says:

    Great, let’s celebrate the four worst years in Texas, and the South’s, history. Its all about race.

  48. sadiedog says:

    it’s a flag people !!!!!!!!!! it’s not the end of the world !!!!!! this is just racism at it’s best !!!

  49. drpageiv says:

    Other posters have well established the meaning of the Confederate Battle Flag. The Civil War or the War Between the States, whatever your poison, was fought over disparaging economic manipulation by a Republican Congress of northern states and Banksters. The Federal Government had blockaded Charleston Harbor with orders to Fort Sumner to sink any French shipping trying to transport goods in violation of international American policy. South Carolina militia attacked the fort and took it angering northerners and Congress. The political movement was already underway to vote for succession in Virginia when the South Carolina militia forced the hand. Lincoln ordered Federal troops to go break this movement up and we have the massive defeat of the Union Army in it first battle intended to crush the possible rebellion and out of anger began to crank up a war against its citizens.
    Take your rac ist attitude against white people and stick it where the sun don’t shine. If you don’t like somebody flying this flag in memorial because it represents anti-black sentiment, then you should show the same disdain for Democrats because that was the political party of the slave holding states.

  50. Grapost says:

    I am SHOCKED to read that 9 other states permit this. What’s next? The KKK emblem? The Confederate flag stands for a group of people who fought for the right to ENSLAVE PEOPLE FOR PROFIT! They put this BEFORE God and Country! These people should not be HONORED in any way. They seceded from the Union which means they were NO LONGER AMERICANS! Their traitors flag should NEVER be on display!

    1. drpageiv says:

      Come and take whatever flag I fly. Words like your’s caused the Civil War. Like I said come make me comply with any order you give.

    2. Jason B says:

      Grapost are even aware that during and prior to the war the north had an equal amount of slaves states? I dare you to name one ship that flew the CSA flag that traded slaves. You cant because those slave ships flew the us flag. BTW check out the official flag of the KKK. its the one flying on every courthouse in america and it sure not the CSA flag. Get a clue!

    3. Mike says:

      Umm.. they already HAD the right to own slaves. In fact, it was protected under the US Constitution during the entire War of Northern Aggression. Oh, and it was the North that profited from the slave labor due to unfair tariffs and tax burdens. Here’s an idea … read a real history book.

    4. Leonard says:

      You want to see slavery? Come to Atlanta and see the prostitution rings of young girls the BLACKS run on North Avenue…. They know all about trafficking in humans. Who do you think sold Africans into slavery? Other Africans. In SC the Pendergast family (Black) owned over 300 of their fellow blacks on two plantations. Blacks who bought their freedom often turned around and bought their own slaves to work in their businesses, usually seamstresses and construction. I doubt you will ever read much of THAT history…

  51. XTruckerWill says:

    I would like to honor my Southern Heritage. Currently, we can have the Gadsden flag as a license plate in Texas. This is not about slavery, it is about personal expression. If I want (and will pay for) a Confederate plate for my vehicle, I should be able to purchase it. The issue with racism, will continue as long as people on both sides continue to allow it to be brought up. The NAACP in name is a racist organization, yet it remains, if they wanted to end racism, they must change their name.

    The Civil War was about States Rights, not about slavery, its funny that it has been twisted into slavery by every text book.

  52. Texan-American says:

    Be glad you’re not in North Carolina. We can’t even fly the Confederate Flag in a Confederate cemetary.

  53. Hank Warren says:

    This is all about limiting Free Speech. After all, censorship is everywhere. The gov’t (and their big business cronies) censor free speech, shut down dissent and ban the book “America Deceived II”. Free speech for all.
    Last link (before Google Books bans it also]:

  54. Jason says:

    How about a Nazi or Soviet flag? It’s the same thing as they were all were enemies of the US.

    1. drpageiv says:

      No it’s not the same thing. The Confederate Battle Flag is a flag of Americans, the others never were.

  55. TexasForever says:

    What is offensive to me is any vehicle with an ” Obama” bumper sticker on it.
    Should these anti-Americans be allowed to have those bumper stickers on their vehicles?

  56. Doc says:

    SCV Plates are available to members of the SCV in North Carolina. Though the Daughters of the Confederacy are also active in NC, they do not have a plate. I’m a Yankee by birth (NY) and a Rebel by choice. I have studied the Civil War for over 40 years. The war was a tragedy for all Americans. But it did unite the states in the end.

    As a friend of mine who is Black (he says he’s not an African American) who owns 2 Ford dealerships in NC told me once “Black folks have a lot more to worry about than a piece of cloth. We need to work on substance, not the symbolism of others”.

  57. Bill from Dallas says:

    I DO want my Texas license plates to display the Confederate Flag!!! And, Texas WILL secede from this now SOCIALIST country.

  58. aubreyfarmer says:

    Don’t you see folks, it isn’t really about a Confederate flag on the license plate. What it is about, is divide and conquer. Turn us against each other. At the same time Rick Perry gets to play hero and patriot while derailing Ron Paul as the Republican candidate. Why else would this even be an issue at this point in time? What next, start a feud about displaying the Ten Commandments on public property or how about we wait till Christmas and stir up the Christians because someone complains about a Nativity Scene on public property. Go ahead and argue back and forth, back and forth and make the racial divide wider. In the end it should not matter what you think or what someone else thinks. We used to be a nation of laws based on the Constitution and Bill of Rights. How about we get back to the basics of obeying the supreme law of the land. Our founding fathers fought and died to give us this gift.

    1. Saint says:

      Yeah, they died to give us an end from Tyranny and a right to Freedom of Speech. They didn’t say “Freedom of Speech, UNLESS it offends someone”, no, they said “Freedom of Speech.” So I don’t care how offended someone is, the SCV has a right, just like any other organization, to craft what they want on a license plate. If someone gets butthurt and all offended by someone else’s freedom of speech, then they can very well go somewhere where it is not allowed, for all I care.

  59. John C says:

    People who are offended by the Confederate flag should get over it and focus their energies on moving her life or in substantive ways. Obsessing over the Confederate flag is not a productive use of time.

  60. Kevin in Fort Worth says:

    On my dads side of the family I have two ancestors that fought with the Confederates. Both were killed in action. On my moms side of the family they were yankees. My Confederate side did not own slaves. My yankee side fought TO SAVE THE UNION. I honor both sides. I honor my ancestors and the Confedrate flag. I love the Confederate flag. I am proud of it and I will always honor it. So please dont call me a racist. HURRAH FOR DIXIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Kevin in Fort Worth

  61. Action says:

    Sam Houston would not want this. Simply put a true Texan would not want this!!

    1. Kevin says:

      Sam Houston’s son would disagree with you, as he served in the Confederate army.

    2. Saint says:

      Did you discuss this over a nice hot cup of coffee with Mr. Houston? No? Then don’t go around saying you know what someone would or would not have wanted. Especially since YOU think that YOU make all the final decisions about what a “true Texan” would or would not want. Take your true egotistical self somewhere where you can really evaluate your character.

      1. LBJ says:

        Actually, Sam Houston made his views regarding secession from the Union by Texas very clear – he was against it – and this fact is easy enough to verify. Needless to say, this view of Houston’s was not popular in Texas given the aroused southern states passions of the time over perceived wrongs against the South by the Federal government.

  62. Dusty Chandler says:

    I’d buy a License plate with this picture on it:

  63. Crockett says:

    Well, throw out Ole Glory, too, then for she represented a slave-centered government from the time of her inception up until the ratification of the 13th Amendment ending slavery. In other words, nearly every law, decree, and amendment regarding the institution of slavery occured while Ole Glory was flying. Furthermore, Ole Glory was flown by soldiers during the Trail of Tears ,the massacre at Wounded Knee, and many other episodes related to the elimination of the Red Man. So I suppose Ole Glory is a painful reminder of slavery and racism, too, then….right?

    The Confederate battle flag flew for only about 4 years and was used by regiments as a BATTLE FLAG.

    While we are at it, I would profer that the Union Jack, the French flag and many flags from other nations which profitted from slavery should be banned. They, too, are painful reminders of slavery.

  64. HPS says:

    first let me say BOTH my g g grandfathers fought for the NORTH in the CIVIL WAR..than let me say the flag was a flag during a period of time ….like the steam engine.. a 13 star flag.. bloomers.. etc.. a flag that was a time in history.. long past.. HOWEVER.. it is also a symbol of the SOUTH.. I love things that are from our past.. they tell of a time and place it’s HISTORY.. it’s time we QUIT allowing our history to be taken be it good or bad it is still our history… I was in NC a few year back.. the place where they sold the slaves is now called an OPEN AIR MARKET.. this to was NOT a good time in our history but it was our history.. a reminder of mistakes and the correction of them but they have taken it from all of us both black and if we have NO history in this country.. NO roots.. and all our hard work to move ahead should be erased.. It’s time we stopped it and if a FLAG makes one feel Offended they better exam their REAL motives for it doing so..

  65. dixieboy says:

    The war for Southern indepence is more aptly applied, as a civil war is a conflict to overthrow the current government. The South merely wanted out and to be left alone, leaving the tyrannical oppresive northern society on it’s own. Period.

  66. Chuck-in-TX says:

    This guy David…. wins the moron prize of the day on this thread.

  67. Tex Expatriate says:

    I sure don’t have any interest in celebrating Abe Lincoln’s War of Northern Aggression, but I’d buy a license plate for my one vehicle that is still licensed in Texas if it celebrated the Confederate States and its troops. I’d buy one that promoted secession, too, and if Texas ever did leave the so-called Union (which today, at least since Abe Lincoln, has been increasingly a tyranny) I’d be home in a New York minute. For the record, if Texas should (however unlikely) leave the so-called Union, I would hope it is to become a Republic again.

    I was born free in 1937 despite Franklin Roosevelt’s tyranny, and I’m still free. Damn Yankees and damn the outlaw federal government!

  68. Flashman1854 says:

    The NAACP has lost all credibility as an organization that professes the advancement of blacks.

    In New York, currently, the NAACP has sided with the teacher’s union rather than a large group of mostly black children over the closing of 22 underperforming public schools and replacing them with charter schools.

    These underperforming schools are in mostly black neighborhoods and replacing them with charter schools would give these kids at least a chance to get an education. The current schools are actually criminal: take money and give no result. It’s stealing. And, the harm being done is being done on the young kids, most of whom, at least to start, want to learn.

    The NAACP leader in NY called those blacks who wanted to open the charter schools (in other words improve the lives of their children) “beholden to the slave master”, or some such statement.

    The national NAACP leadership has not jumped all over this local official, nor come out and supported the charter schools.

    Anything the NAACP states is worthless. They are NOT an organization that favors the advancement of blacks. Perhaps they never were.

  69. Daniel says:

    While I can understand how the confederate flag can be offensive to some, when that is used as an excuse to infringe on the rights and history of other people then it is evil and wrong in it’s own right. Blacks certainly have an unhappy history regarding the Civil War and what led up to it, but they weren’t the only people involved and theirs isn’t the only peoples history that matters.

  70. John Larson, Jr. says:

    As a member of the Texas Division of Sons of Confederate Veterans, I support the liscense plate, because the history is taught by the winners, it is distorted to make them fell good about what they did. Don’t get me wrong, not everything about the Confederacy was glitz and glamor, but 10% of the blacks ( African-Americans) were free and many owned slaves them selves, look to the census records if you don’t believe me. Infact, the average black slave owner owned more than the average white slave owner, check the records. LIncoln himself didn’t go to war to end slavery, he did what he did to maintain the tax base in the south where the majority of his agricultural exports were grown. It was said from the beginings of this country that slavery was an evil, one they considered necissary. Most of the states that fought against the Confederatcy had slavery in thier past and had recently ended it out of a change in morals and decided to push thier morals on people not ready to acept that moral standpoint. the war was economic in nature as all wars are, the blossoming industry in the north that needed tariff to survive the cheaper imports and the south that couldn’t afford the have the high tariffs on thier agricultural exports if they were going to continue to make the kind of money they had been making. States had been threatening to sucede for years if not decades when they finally started to do it in 1860-1861. They were not looking to fight, just go back to the values of the Constitution that industry and northern politics were pulling away from. The strong central government of today was created by Lincoln and his political sucessors who didn’t want to have secesion happen again. you talk of American strength, most of our fighting men are of southern decent, the other folks do the rear area jobs. there has been a JEB Stuart in our military almost constantly since the “Civli War” leading our nations troops to the benifit of all in this country. Whether you see tham or not, the Confederate/Southern Heros left us a legacy that protects thier homes an familys today, JEB Stuart, Thomas Johnathon Jackson ??????(One of Jacksons decendants was killed as an Air Force Colonel or General in WW II), Robert Edward Lee IV/V/or VI, James Bowie IV V IV, and so on. Whether you see it or not, 13 of those stars in the US Flag are Confederate Stars and they shine as bright today as they did in 1776, 1812, and 1861-65. You may vote doun my plates, but you can’t take my ancestors away, they have been here since Plymoth Rock and I will smile at you every time you talk down my flag (every flag that has flown over Virginia to Texas is mine because my ancestors bled for them), because it flys high in by heart.

  71. larry hill commander the alexandria rifles #2194 s c v says:

    if a flag needs to banned because of slavery it must be old glory
    the confederate constituiton says no slaves shall be imported from any country except the united states
    yall stick to youre guns and get those tags ;, here in the heart of dixie it cost fiftey dollars a year extra for any special tags
    my cars and truck have s c v tags , i fly the stars and bars at my shop and the battle flag at home

  72. Ramon Leigh says:

    If you ever had any doubt that the average American is depressingly ignorant of American history, just read some of the brainless comments about this article. One huge lie is that secession by the Confederate states constituted a “traitorous action.” Sorry, but traitors or rebels attempt to overthrow a govt, whereas the Cofederate states legally and lawfully voted to secede from a union that had taken advantage of them via majority will. Lincoln falsely claimed that states, once within a union, could never leave. Sorry, stupid old Abe, but the Declaration of Independence, and international law, guarantees
    the right of all people to choose the govt under which they wish to live. Lincoln
    thus becomes a President who prosecuted an illegal war, never sanctioned by his own government, as required by law. I might point out to those who foolishly believe that Lincoln fought to free the slaves that old Abe promised the seceded southern states that he would pass a consitutional amendment that would guarantee the continued existence of slavery in the Old South “forever,” and could never be overturned. He also stated that blacks would never be able to live amongst whites and that all freed blacks in the Old South should be transported back to Africa at the end of hostilities. The Confederacy was far more democratic than Lincoln’s union, which eliminated civil rights by the carload. No habeus corpus, no right to question the acts of the President, haiving your newspaper confiscated if you published anything negative about Lincoln’s actions or his bloody and illegal war. Freedom of speech was eliminated by Lincoln, along with the ability to elect you congressmen if Lincoln
    felt your choices were not the “right ones.” Lincoln’s union was a dictatorship
    in which individual rights simply did not exist. The Confederacy was, in fact,
    the only democratic nation in America during the years of its existence. The
    Confederate States of America – long may this nation be praised. The lies about Lincoln and his dictatorship and illegal war will finally be exposed.
    evil Abe visited upon this country.

  73. Jim Boone says:

    Most of the comments about this news post miss the point entirely. This issue has nothing to do with how one feels about the Confederacy.

    If the State is going to sell the right of a legally-constituted organization to have its icon, symbol, motto or message displayed on an automobile license plate that is sold to buyers who have a freedom of choice, then no person or committee should have the authority to decide which organizations shall be allowed or denied this right. The fact that someone may be offended, or may object to an icon is completely irrelevant (pornography and profanity excepted). Slavery, states rights, secession, bigotry, patriotism, etc. are all irrelevant to this issue. The State should only be concerned that the organization is a duly, legally constituted one, and that the required fee is paid. The public will vote yea or nay on the plate with its pocketbook. They will either buy the plate or they will not. This is a no-brainer.

    1. Saint says:

      Yep. Couldn’t agree more.

  74. Gibbs Bentley says:

    The 1st amendment to the US Constitution covers this and ends this conversation. Next.


  75. G. Kuykendall says:

    What the Civil War was all about was STATES RIGHTS “”
    Under our constitutation each state has a right to GOVERN ITSELF !!!
    Over the years everyone with a CHIP on his shoulder wants everyone
    to believe otherwise. Slavery was a very convient subject to be used
    as the EXCUSE.
    What everyone is hollering about is not even the Conferderate Flag !!!
    It is — the sith battle flag of Alabama — called the “Stars and Bars”
    The flag of the Conferdercy is totaly different !!!

  76. J. Cannon says:

    This isn’t an issue of putting a Confederate flag on a license plate. This is about putting the logo of the Sons of Confederate Veterans, an historical society, onto a plate. True, their logo is similiar to a Confederate Battle flag, but it is not exactly the same thing.

  77. Whitey Cracker says:

    When I retire, I plan on funding a” Whitey College Fund” that will exclude all kids other than white. I am also thinking of financing an organization that caters exclusively to white politicians. It seems only fair.

    1. 31337 says:

      White people aren’t a “recognized minority” so the lawyers are already waiting for this to happen. Remember if you are a white male you are the bad guy and the enemy and god forbid if you are a religious white male then you are the target of everybody. Bend over its going to get nasty and there is no lube

  78. Jimmy L. Shirley Jr. says:

    Shelton said, ““Many would view that, quite frankly, as treason, because they meant to actually destroy the existing governmental structure.”
    This is completely ludicrous. Laughable, even. The United States existed as 13 States, and grew incrementally to 33 States by 1861. SO, by recognising the first 7 seceded States as a new nation, the Confederate States of America and laying its foundation upon the original Constitution of the United States of America, it can be plainly seen that A) the United States would continue to exist as 26 States, thus not at all destroyed, and B) there existing the very real probability of the two sections reuniting upon common grounds later on.

  79. 31337 says:

    People are way too sensitive about issues. Let the flag fly if the person wishes to fly it and if they want a plate that has that wonderful flag on it then so be it. Like it or not we fought many wars so people can have a license plate with a rebel flag on it. These same wars were fought so your favorite rapper can rap and black people can wear symbols of Africa.

  80. Brent says:

    The mainstream media always gives the racist windbags at the NAACP a soapbox to preach their hate, but rarely do they give they opponents the chance to give their side of the story. Virtually everything Mr. Shelton said about the War Between the States 9WBTS) is hogwash. “Many would view that, quite frankly, as treason, because they meant to actually destroy the existing governmental structure.” Treason, really? Like when the United States seceded from Great Britain? It should be remembered that our own Revolutionary War was at its core a war of secession. Government by consent of the governed is a Natural Right. And individuals are free to withdraw their consent at any time, which is exactly what the U.S. did in the Revolutionary War and what the Confederacy did in the WBTS. “…Those that sought freedom for those of darker skin in our country.” Who might these people be? It certainly wasn’t Abe Lincoln or the Union troops. No one in the Union Army believed they were fighting to “free the slaves.” Their only goal was to preserve the Union, period. If any Union general thought their troops were being used for a war of liberation for the slaves, they would have turned their armies around and went home. Abraham Lincoln (like most Northern abolitionists) was a racist and white supremacist who sought an end to end slavery only for the purpose of deporting blacks back to Africa and to Central America and creating an all white America. In all truth, despite the institution of slavery, blacks were treated better in the Southern U.S. than at any other place in the world at that time where whites and blacks coexisted. Very few free blacks moved North because of the “black codes” existing in many states and because they were liable to be captured and sold back into slavery oversees by Yankee slavers. “It was the flag that was flown during a war to actually tear the nation apart.” The Founding Fathers didn’t create a centrally controlled Nation, but a decentralized Republic. A “Nation” did not exist until after the War, a nation Abe created at gunpoint and steeped in the blood of hundreds of thousands of soldiers and civilian men, women, and children (black and white). Before this time, each State was fully sovereign except for a few, specifically enumerated powers given to the Federal Government. The Federal Government only existed for the convenience and at the pleasure of the States. When the Federal Government overstepped its bounds, the Southern States lawfully seceded and formed an independent country to maintain constitutional government. God Bless the Confederate States of America and Texas SCV in their efforts to honor their Veterans of the Second War for Independence. Deo Vindice!

  81. Yankee says:

    The “Confederate” flag is a modified version of the Confederate naval jack, the real Confederate flags flown were the Stars and Bars, the Bonnie Blue flag, and the Blood Stained Banner.The NAACP is racist to the core, so why should I listen to them?

  82. jeff says:

    I will definitely buy one.

  83. JJ says:

    I mean really people. The history is irrelevant in what the flag now stands for and the constant need to explain it is only emphasizing your desperate to justify it and hang on to it.

    Your arguments are tired and pointless. You are championing a flag that brought a civil war to this country and represents the oppression and slavery of millions.

    It’s a damn shame the states rights crowd built their fight on the backs of other human beings. They did this, no one else. This was the new world and they were more then happy to bring the old world into it and capitalize on it.

    They were crushed as they should have been, and the flag is the flag of a defeated nation and people.

    Get over it.

  84. Mike in Dallas says:

    People need to remember that SCV does not equal KKK. LOOK at the differences BEFORE you comment about the license plates.

    People need to remember that a flag never hurt anyone. If this flag hurts people’s feelings so much then why do they continue to walk under it as they enter Six Flags Over Texas amusement park without incedent? It hurts no one. It however is a part of this state’s history. People need to remember that this war occurred in 1862 and it has been over for 150 years…

    The abolition of slavery was a byproduct of the Civil War. In President Abraham Lincoln’s own words, in a letter to (abolitionist) Horace Greely dated August 22, 1862 he wrote: “My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or to destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that.”

  85. Patty O'Furniture says:

    South Carolina along with 6 other states seceded from the Union after the election of Lincoln because they did not like his position of slavery. Although Lincoln was morally opposed to slavery he was not going to try to end slavery in the south. He did want to prevent the expansion of slavery to western states.

    The 7 (soon to be 11) southern states created their own centralized government and started a war against the north by attacking and capturing numerous federal forts located in the south including Ft. Sumter. As a result, hostilities between the Union and the Confederacy began.

    Half way through the war Lincoln decided to up the stakes and solve the slavery issue once and for all with the emancipation proclamation. After a long hard fought war the north completely and totally destroyed the south’s ability to make war and readmitted the rebel states into the union. Additionally, the 13th, 14th, & 15th amendments to the constitution were passed in order to enfranchise those people that had been disenfranchised for so long.

    The leaders of the south tried to use force to nullify the results of a legitimate election because they did not like the policies of the rightfully elected president-elect. As a result 600,000 Americans lost their lives. Their actions were cowardly and shameful. They are traitors and should not be honored in anyway. If you love the United States of America you can honor the confederacy. It’s a simple question of loyalty.

    1. Raiford Jimerson says:

      The part about Fort Sumter isn’t right. According to an 1805 agreement between South Carolina and the US Gov’t, Ft. Sumter could become federal property only if it were completed and garrisoned withing three years. Not oly was it not completed or garrisoned within three years, it wasn’t completed in 1860 when Major Anderson illegally invaded Sout Carolina territory aa few days after South Carolina seceded. They refused to leave, and the US committed several acts of war by trying to resupply the invaders. In January, the ‘Star of the West’ supply ship was fired upon by cadets of the Citadel, which turned back that ship. When the US armed flotilla raised anchor to start the resupply voyage in Apriul 1861, that was an act of war. South Carolina was entirely legal in driving out the illegal invaders. And it was accomplished without any loss of life.
      The North started the war. Period.

    2. Peter Griffin says:

      What utter BS by Patty O’Furniture. First off it was the North who attacked the South not the other way around. It was Northern aggression that lead to the war.

      The South left the Union one by one in an orderly fashion voting themselves out in the same way they had voted in. Remember that pesky part of the US Declaration of Independence that reads:
      “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. That whenever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness.”

      While halfway thru and Lincoln and company were getting their butts handed to them on the battlefield and facing sure defeat if England and France entered the war on the South’ s behalf, Lincoln produced what can arguably be called the first instance of modern spin in which he cast the conflict as an issue about slavery to the Europeans counting on public opinion there to keep the governments of France and England from entering the fight.

      As to the 13th, 14th, and 15th Amendments, it was the South who was disenfranchised by the North starting with the phony and illegitimate passage of the 14th Amendment. Check the real history here if you like. The South was kicked out of the government after the North allegedly fought to keep the South in the Union because “it could not be broken.” Military dictatorships were set up to govern the South and those states had to reapply to get back into the “unbreakable” Union be agreeing to accept the violation of their rights in regards to the aforementioned amendments and other laws/policies created by the North.

      The leaders of the South of course tried to use force to protect their states and their rights because criminals from the North had attacked them. That’s what normal people do when attacked…defend themselves. The South followed the true American principle of gov’t by the consent of the governed instead of the might makes right crowd of the North. If they did not agree with where they country was going they had every right to change their own government or abolish and replace it just as the Founding Fathers had done in the Revolutionary war.

      Yes over 600,000 American died in the War of Northern Aggression, but they died because Lincoln the tyrant disregarded and completely violated his oath of office to the Constitution along with the rights of all Southern Americans when he had his armies invade the South and deny the South their American rights.

  86. Glenn says:

    Isn’t banning the Confederate Battle flag a slap in the face to blacks who fought on the Confederate side?

  87. Kingslea says:

    We have Confederate Flag license plates here in Virginia that were introduced a few years ago by the Sons of Confederate Veterans. We had the same debate, but in the end, the plates are fine and it simply isn’t as big a deal as some would like you to believe (on both sides). Texas, like Virginia, has had a troubled history with race relations. However, the bottom line is this, people of any opinion should be able to organize and support their group/beliefs as long as they are not advocating hatred/violence against another group. In this case, a license plate with a Confederate flag isn’t posing any threat. That is the most “American” of ideals – to tolerate free expression, even when it can be difficult to go against one’s own personal preference.

  88. Derek says:

    this is a non-issue. north carolina, among many other states, has offered sons of confederate veterans to buy a specialized license plate for decades. you don’t have the right not to be offended!

  89. Richard says:

    Our liberal PC educators have taught our children that soldiers from Texas would leave their families alone on the world’s most dangerous frontier then walk most of 2000 miles to fight and die for 4 years for the 3% who owned slaves. Common sense says they would not. The battle flag on the SCV logo has been there for over a 100 years. Just because some idiots use the flag inappropriately is no reason not to allow the plate. The US flag allowed slavery a lot longer than the Confederate did. By the way the Confed had term limits for the president, did not allow riders or government cost overruns, each bill had to be about one subject and the post office had to be self sufficient. Sounds pretty good to me.

  90. John says:

    This is the best discussion I have ever seen about the War Between the States in a liberal web site. Too bad all the anti-Confederate folks don’t understand that slavery was not the main issue. As a member of people offended by offended people (POOP)…I’ll buy a set of these plates to support my State and my family history. Remember, this is the 150th Anniversary of the conflict (1861-1865). Oh, just for information…a valiant black CONFEDERATE hero is buried in the same cemetery as my Great great grandfather and his brother. I am best friends with the black CONFEDERATE soldier’s Great great grandson, too. You folks need to worry about the state of the economy and the democratic socialist agenda that is taking away your freedom, money, and identity.

  91. Bob Forsberg says:

    The liberal debaters are out again. At 60 they still think they’re in a college debate.

  92. Saint says:

    David is either a very good troll…or a complete moron. Or maybe both. lolol

  93. bg says:

    white trash will and always will be white trash. they keep breeding like the vermin they are.

  94. Naggers says:

    Kill em ALL!

  95. Simon Flores says:

    It has very little to do with skin color.
    It has more to do with the “content of [their] character’, as MLK referred to.
    The Civil War was NOT fought over slavery. It was fought over States Rights.
    And by the way, the Nigerians sold their own poor people into slavery, became financially stronger, and when they were strong enough, they invaded neighboring countries and sold them into slavery. Where do you think the ‘N-word’ came from? It’s too late for a Coke And A Smile.

  96. AZsmitty, Arizona says:

    Interesting subject…………We have flags that connotate patriotism, The Gadston Flag, The “Come and take it Flag”, the SixFlags of Texas. etc. All commemorating something from history. History has many authors, most from the victorious side of conflicts. Most history should be remembered to prevent repeating past mistakes. The flag of the Confederate States was not the Cross Bars and Stars, that was a battle flag. Those who fought did so because they were committed to a cause, mostly survivial. Advise, let sleeping dogs lay.

  97. steve o'donnell says:

    No doubt you’re confederate flag emblazoned licence plate will be manufactured in China.

  98. Matthew says:

    What I would like to say to this Mark Jones is as follows: When one actually studies the Civil War, one would note that Jefferson Davis had announced that he would sign a bill that would free the slaves should they fight for the Confederate Army. Thus, it is rather naive to say that the whole war was fought over slavery. All the same, to ban the Confederate flag seems to me like it would be a violation of the First Amendment, as it is most often used as a symbol for an idea that someone belives in, be it states rights, or racism, and no matter how insulting something is (in the case of racism), the person who holds that ideal has a right to express it. I may find it thoroughly insulting for someone to have a “New Black Panther Party” license plate, but that doesn’t mean that it shouldn’t be had by anyone.

  99. Nostradamus says:

    “to honor the 90,000 + Texans who went off to war in defense of Texas”

    Why should we honor traitors?

  100. Joe says:

    Why are you people in the south still fighting the civil war? It ended 150 years ago. Your side lost. Wow..

  101. W. Hamilton says:

    If the argument is that the Confederate flag represents racism then it’s flawed from the beginning. The Confederate flag doesn’t represent racism any more than the U.S. flag does. Get a grip people! The U.S. flag flew over every NEW ENGLAND (not Southern) slave ship that brought slaves to America plus over legalized slavery for like 80 years. Not to mention all of the horrible acts commited aganist the Native Americans.
    The U.S. flag is also used by the KLAN as much as the Confederate. So why is it that the U.S. flag doesn’t represent racism? If your looking at it that way then it does. The klan had a march in D.C. back in the 20ies and the U.S. flag is what they carried. Why isn’t it being banned?
    The Confederate flag is a historic symbol of Southern patriotism. Southern men, women and children; black and white struggled and endured countless hardships under that banner for four long, bloody years. It stands for the honorable men who served under it, and of the South. I had at least 30 ancestors who served the Confederacy and none of them owned slaves. They were good Christian, hard working men answering their country’s call to duty to defend their families, homes, rights and property against tyranny. The people of the sovriegn states lost so much freedom after the War of Northern Aggression, and you wonder why we’re in the shape we are today? The men and women of the South were struggling to prevent the kind of government we have today. Let the flag fly! It’s a symbol of freedom. If you want to pull the race card then almost every damn flag in the world is a symbol of racism including the UNITED STATES FLAG! Our sate flag is too, because it was the same flag that flew over Confederate Texas. Give me a break. Let them have their plate. It is doing no harm.

  102. Nick says:

    You should honor your great great grandfathers. Its about hertiage not hate. I would be the first to buy one.

  103. David says:

    Virginia has them. No big deal. Nobody even notices; completely normal.

  104. alexandron says:

    For the past 35 years the black controlled city government of Atlanta has systematically changed street names, school names and park names that had any historical reference to the old South and replaced them with racially suitable names (to them). Although my ancestors immigrated from Greece 50 years after the Civil War, I see a possible negative result of these actions. The eradication of all historical names and symbols may lead many in future generations to believe that slavery never existed. After Greece destroyed Troy, Troy and the Trojan War became a fantasy until recent discoveries.

  105. jschairb says:

    Glad to see Godwin’s Law makes an appearance in this “discussion.”

  106. Jimmy L. Shirley Jr. says:

    Joe said on Confederate Flag License Plate Sparks Debate June 24, 2011 at 7:37 pm In response to ktvtdeborah on June 23, 2011 at 5:28 pm:
    Would you buy a license plate with a Confederate flag on it? State officials are looking at possibly launching a plate honoring Civil War veterans.
    Why are you people in the south still fighting the civil war? It ended 150 years ago. Your side lost. Wow..

  107. gatekeeper96740 says:

    Thomas Dilorenso has 2 very good books on the south and its true history. Not the Liberal Nonsense we have been fed for YEARS!

  108. cropdusterkid says:

    When whites show pride in their heritage, then they are racist, yet it’s perfectly alright to have the Black Miss America, Jet Magazine, and the BET Network. What a double standard. Seems if blacks want to put racism behind us, they need to give up their special practices that continue to separate the races.

  109. D says:

    The south lost the war. Get over it.

    1. Jimmy L. Shirley jr. says:

      That is right. We lost, you won, YOU GET OVER IT!!

  110. Allen says:

    Just for once. I would like some of the black folks of the NAACP to acknowledge the more than 6000 free black Confederate soldiers who fought in the Civil war. But revisionist history never mentions them of course. The worst race riot in our history occured in New York during the Civil War. They don’t talk about that fact either. Yes, we are united now but, every aspect of our history contributed to the country we are today. Texas fought on the side of the South.
    We lost, true but we can still honor the men who fought and died for a cause they believed in without going nuts about it. The war’s over boys. Remember it and move on.

  111. jsquyres says:

    Typical response from the NAACP. They think that everything revolves around the black man.

  112. Brett Moffatt says:

    It is interesting that you have several quotes which are not factual, and others which imply that your sources have no clue what has occurred in American history. If you are upset over slavery, you should be angry at the Lincoln regime which tried to make slavery permanent. You should also be angry with the people and flag of the United States, which flew over slavery much longer than any other in this country. You might also want to revisit that statement that the Confederate movement was treason. Look at the definition of treason in the Constitution, and you will see that Lincoln was the traitor. The South simply wanted to be left alone, and did not harm the existing United States. Couple these thoughts with the rape, pillage and plunder the yankees did, against all Southrons, black, white, red, brown…that’s where you have real problems. Unless you don’t care about the truth.

    Brett Moffatt

  113. Mike Brown says:

    Bad, stupid, foolish idea

  114. mike says:

    Responding to a comment by Jeff P., you just haven’t been around much, have you? look at the Union jack. There’s the English cross superimposed on the Scottish cross of St Andrew, it was designed after the final Jacobite uprising and brutal repression of Scottish culture. Wow, kinda like reconstruction. This Scottish cross, by the way, is the same shape as the confederate flag, which stands for much less oppression around the world than the stars and stripes.

  115. Jay says:

    Texas! Just SECEDE! If you do you’ll have one more family become a Texan!

  116. mike says:

    You people don’t get out much, do you? Look at the Union Jack. There’s the English cross superimposed over the Scottish cross of St. Andrew. The union was forced on Scotland after their defeat in 1745, and the brutal repression that followed, (like reconstruction). Scotland was non-existant as a country and almost as a culture. and for God’s sakes, this isn’t 6th grade, the civil war wasn’t fought over slavery, only 6% of southerners owned slaves. When the war was over, they had to justify the blood of 600,00 men on their hands, and “we freed the slaves” sounds a lot better than “We still get their tax money.”

  117. DonC says:

    What so many fail to realize is that the “stars and stripes” flew over slavery for 80 years before the Civil War began. So please stop with the sanctimonius objections to the confederate flag!

  118. Averagejoetexas says:

    “Many would view that, quite frankly, as treason, because they meant to actually destroy the existing governmental structure.”
    Sounds like Obama to me with his one world order and Cloward-Piven agenda. Forget about license plates, there are way bigger issues on the table.

  119. Mike says:

    Why do we need this license plate at all..? If you want a confederate flag on your car, just buy a bumper sticker. Using tax payer money for this kind of thing reeks of big government.

  120. Rascal Dod says:

    It is terrable that all the Yankee hoards are still here and thay we are still having to support our ex-slaves in a custon that the federal Loncolinesque Government demands… The south Succeesed over the high price of taxes imposed by the Yankees not over Slavery – almost half od the slaves held in the South were by BLACK PLANTATION OWNERS. I suggest that if YOU have a problem with this licence plate you don’t let the Mason Dixon Line slap you in the but going back to Yankeeland…. that is if you think it’s so bad here in Texas!

  121. Kent West says:

    I live in the South and there are lots of families down here who lost family members in the Civil War – you see pictures of Confederate soldiers on mantle pieces in homes. To these people, this flag does not represent slavery or oppression, it represents the cause of dead family members and the suffering caused by a brutal defeat in a horrible war, the effects of which are still felt down here today. A bunch of uninformed and insensitive modern whiners complaining about a flag won’t change the history connected with that flag.

  122. Larry Croft says:

    It’s OK with me. I like just about anything that reminds me of major historical events of the great United States of America.

  123. Martifr says:

    The Stars and Bars are as much a part of Texas history as the US flag. Denying the fact does not eliminate nor change history. It would be more palatable and appropriate seeing the S&B than that rag that resembles the flag of messyco.

  124. SWTexas says:

    I don’t know if this has been pointed out yet, but not everyone born in africa is black. there are thousands of people of white ancestry that were born in Africa. some of them are now US citizens. countries like Rhodesia, South Africa, and what about Egypt, Libiya, morocco? if they aren’t dark enough do they still count as Africans?
    Black liberation theology is thinly veiled communisim. just look at Zimbabwe if you want to see where that leads. racism exists on both sides folks, the question we should ask is where does the road they are trying to lead us down end up?
    And by the way, Lincoln only freed the slaves in the south (where he had no authority at the time) in hopes that they would rise up and help the north. it wasn’t till later that all slavery in the US was ended.

  125. Kev says:

    At the end of the day all flags are just rags on sticks, so I just can’t get bothered either way.

  126. Peter Griffin says:

    Here’s a thought for Hilary Shelton, some people find Black history month and MLK Day offensive so perhaps our time might be better spent getting rid of them. With that said, I have to point out Shelton’s historical account is completely off the tracks and belongs in the sci-fi section under alternate history fiction.

    The South fought for their rights the same as the original Patriots against England. The only difference is that the good guys lost this one. The South had every right to leave the union they freely joined. Their departure did not end the USA. They choose to go their own way after too many Northern abuses. There did not have to be war. The Southern states left in peace. The Northern states invaded the South and made war all the while still having slaves in their country.

    The conflict was not about slavery which was a dying institution. All that clap-trap was Washington spin to keep European powers from aiding the South. It was about money and power, the North had it and did not want to give it up. It’s a simple as that. The Confederacy deserves a place of honor among our history and those who fought for it should be remembered with honor as well.

    1. John says:

      Regarding MLK Day. I just don’t get it. How about a day off for George Washington? Guess that’s just too politically incorrect. Hmmmm. I still don’t get it.

  127. Matt says:

    Ya know, if you liberal yuppies wanted to take the stance of Lincoln himself, you wouldn’t be arguing about all of this “south lost, they shouldn’t have the flag” BS. Lincoln was very supportive of welcoming the Southern states back into the Union. He did not press for charges against men like Jefferson Davis and Robert E. Lee for war crimes, and he certainly didn’t want the South to forget all of the men that died. The Civil War was a war fought very much between gentlemen. Even the US Department of Defense recognizes Southerners lost in the Civil War as casualties. To say that the war was simply about slavery and showing the Confederate flag is racist, is completely ignorant and contradicts history and the true beginnings of the war.

  128. Terry says:

    I wish the NAACP would stop blaming the Confederacy for slavery. Confederates did not initiate the practice of chattel slavery into this country . Rather, it was introduced by a free black named Anthony Johnson, living in Virginia. Mr. Johnson petitioned the Court for perpetual ownership of his indentured servant, John Cassor in 1655. The Court granted Johnson’s petititon.
    Accordingly, Johnson has the unenviable distinction of being the Father of slavery in what became the United States.

  129. Ron Deller says:

    Go South! Am kinda getting tired of the bad attitude of the U.S. over the last 20 years. Guess I can say it just got to me since 2008 or so. Always considered myself American until then.

  130. Rick_H says:

    Any display of the Confederate flag in an official government-related sense, (which includes license plates ), is wrong.
    The Confederate flag is not a legal government flag.

    If this goes through it will definately hurt Gov. Perry should he decde to run for president.

  131. celador2 says:

    Confederate flagspromote slavery and one’s non personhood. NO thanks to a flag that reminds us of that flawed time period in US history. I am pro life.

  132. Mike says:

    Why does anyone need to use tax payer money to put a flag on their car? If you want to display the rebel flag, just git a bumper sticker.

    I pay $150+ every year for the privilege of registering my own cars in the great state of Texas; $80+/year so that the EPA is happy; plus about $150/year in gasoline taxes (20 cents per gallon in TX).

    I would prefer not to have my money used for purposes like this. Most of the other custom license plates are for universities or non-profits (some of which are also questionable).

  133. rocketmania says:

    You naysayers need top grow up. The “War of Northern Aggression” is an important part of our history. Problems with youngins arise from them not knowing squat about their own country’s history. Them youngins same helped to elect the Black Narcissus. How’s that job-hunting going, slackers? Does the Øconomy have you down?
    EXIT QUESTION: “Why should other ethnicities be allowed to display their flags, statues, etc. but White Southerners are not?
    America treats the Stars and Bars like the Germans do the Swastika … VERBOTEN!


  134. LoneStarHog says:

    The Civil War was NOT a war about slavery, as it existed in both northern and southern states. It was a war about STATES RIGHTS, much as the same conflict that is being fought with Washington, D.C. today. (10th Amendment)

    If the UNINFORMED racists want to consider the Confederate flag as OFFENSIVE, then the same should apply to Old Glory.

    Was slavery wrong? Hell Yes! Should STATES RIGHTS (10th Amendment) be protected? Hell Yes!

  135. Stephen G. says:

    I am a proud son of the South although not a citizen of the state of Texas. I have a question for y’all. Which “Confederate flag are you proposing? The first, second, or third national flag? Perhaps you were thinking of the square “Stars and Bars,” our battle flag, or perhaps our Naval Ensign, the long Stars and Bars.
    In no way, shape, manner or form, were these flags then, nor are they now “rebel” flags. There was nothing in the Constitution that prohibited the secession of any state or group of states from doing what they did.
    Those who associate the “rebel flag” with slavery should know; no slave was ever brought to this country under the flag, any of the flags of the Confederacy. Each and every ship flew the union jack, the US Naval flag.
    The flag is not about hate; it is about heritage.

  136. Texasbil says:

    The war is over! Get over it is all I can say. In the first place it was not about slavery it was about state rights and even now we have the federal government intruding on states rights. The reason we are broke and so far in debt is too much government.

  137. patriot001 says:

    Who is this guy Shelton and why would anyone listen to him anyway? The Founders absolutely viewed the union as a voluntary association, and the sovereign states had every right to secede. To call secession “treason” is simply victor’s history and untrue. To say the War of Northern Aggression was about freeing slaves is idiotic. No wonder we’re in such big trouble today.

  138. Lady Val says:

    To begin with, Confederate veterans (and thus their symbols) were afforded status equal to that of any other U.S. veteran by an act approved by Congress on May 23, 1958 and signed into law by President Dwight D. Eisenhower. Therefore, the Confederate flags – including the battle flag – have been given legal status and protection. Whatever people “think” about these symbols (if they actually “think” at all) is irrelevant. Furthermore, it is also irrelevant because the First Amendment protects our God-given rights of freedom of speech and expression. And since the Constitution does not protect against being “offended,” I would say that with regard to the battle flag, “the ayes have it!” As for being “offended,” how offensive is it to have that question asked of something one reveres every time the matter comes before the public. Replace the “battle flag” with some other symbol of some other group – say, the “gay pride’s rainbow flag” or posters of Martin Luther King. How “offensive” would it be for those whose symbols these are to have that question asked of others regarding their own icons? Very, I’m sure. And they would respond that the “offended” individual has no business telling THEM what to do. Well, what’s sauce for the goose, as the old saying goes, is sauce for the gander. I say to the “offended ones” what flag foes never tire of saying to us, “Get over it!”

  139. Atlas Shrugged says:

    Rewrite history. The Civil War was not about slavery, it was about representation of Southern States. They broke away because the government was GETTING TOO BIG AND TOO POWERFUL, so the Southern States decided to form their own country since Washington was not listening to them anymore.

    Reparations? That war was over 150 years ago and the blacks are still looking for handouts. The TAXPAYER is the new slave, supporting many BLACKS from birth to death now because of the governments largeness with my TAXES. TOO easy to not work, the government want to keep VOTERS in slavery, where the TAXPAYER continues to GIVE MONEY TO BLACKS in exchange for VOTING DEMOCRAT so the TAX MONEY continues to FLOW from my CONSERVATIVE POCKET into the lazy, don’t need no job I get a government check, reparation crowd.

    Keep voting DEMOCRAT, they are the real KEEP EM DOWN and under control crowd. We have turned our whole society into WELFARE SLAVES, those who earn the TAX DOLLAR and have it stolen from them to give to the lazy VOTER who refuses to support or be responsible for themselves.

  140. Raiford Jimerson says:

    Shelton, Jones and Arreola are typical of those who have been brainwashed and lied to by the Yankee-controlled history books. If they knew the true facts of the confilict, they would be loudly supporting the flag and its cause. The South wanted to keep the original contitution and individual rights, not hand them over to a strong Federal-controlled government. secession was completely legal, and they followed it by the book. The CSA existed peacefully for several months, then lincoln provoked a war, illegally invaded and conquered a sovereign nation by force of arms, pillaged the land, murdered innocent women and children, and destroyed the nation our Founding Fathers fought to create. A hundred thousand blacks fought for the south, that’s a fact. Anyone who thinks it was all about slavery needs to wake up and spit out the kool-aid.
    The least we can do is to support the sale of this plate. If you don’t like the flag, you need a history lesson, and you don’t have to look at it.

  141. E. Watson says:

    When are you people going to realize that the confederate flag was just a battle marker It never flew over slavery. The flag you pledge your alegence to flew over slavery for 87 years and you find no fault in that. I proudly fly both the American flag and the Confederate flag from my motorcycle, because that is our history, You can not fly one with out the other, If a certain group of people would just realize that its not the flag keeping raciisim going it is people than this country would be better off. GET OVER IT.

  142. BobbyV says:

    Save the country from the African clowns.

  143. Ulysses S. Grant says:

    I think we should dig up General William T. Sherman so he can bring Total War to Texas just like he did to Atlanta and most of the South during The CIVIL War. BLACK POWER! U-S-A! U-S-A! U-S-A! U-S-A! U-S-A! U-S-A! U-S-A! U-S-A! U-S-A! U-S-A!

    1. Archy Cary says:

      Your understanding of Civil War history is greatly lacking.

  144. dixiedog says:

    The confederate flag IS AN AMERICAN FLAG!

  145. Archy cary says:

    “Mr. Hilary Shelton, with the NAACP in Washington, D.C., said that the Civil War may not be something we want to celebrate.”

    Now there’s a concept. Someone from the NAACP not celebrating the war that brought freedom to the slaves.

  146. Archy Cary says:

    Typical CBS story line.

  147. mike says:

    IF i ever see a car with a CONFEDERATE LICENSE plate, I WILL KEY IT BEYOND belief… even SPRAY PAINT it k, and also PUNCTURE the TIRES.I hope they do allow it i will be LICKING MY LIPS.

  148. Testlead says:

    Lincoln’s 4th debate with Douglas
    While I was at the hotel to—day, an elderly gentleman called upon me to know whether I was really in favor of producing a perfect equality between the negroes and white people. [Great Laughter.] While I had not proposed to myself on this occasion to say much on that subject, yet as the question was asked me I thought I would occupy perhaps five minutes in saying something in regard to it. I will say then that I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races, [applause]—that I am not nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race. I say upon this occasion I do not perceive that because the white man is to have the superior position the negro should be denied every thing. I do not understand that because I do not want a negro woman for a slave I must necessarily want her for a wife. [Cheers and laughter.] My understanding is that I can just let her alone. I am now in my fiftieth year, and I certainly never have had a black woman for either a slave or a wife. So it seems to me quite possible for us to get along without making either slaves or wives of negroes. I will add to this that I have never seen, to my knowledge, a man, woman or child who was in favor of producing a perfect equality, social and political, between negroes and white men. I recollect of but one distinguished instance that I ever heard of so frequently as to be entirely satisfied of its correctness—and that is the case of Judge Douglas’s old friend Col. Richard M. Johnson. [Laughter.] I will also add to the remarks I have made (for I am not going to enter at large upon this subject,) that I have never had the least apprehension that I or my friends would marry negroes if there was no law to keep them from it, [laughter] but as Judge Douglas and his friends seem to be in great apprehension that they might, if there were no law to keep them from it, [roars of laughter] I give him the most solemn pledge that I will to the very last stand by the law of this State, which forbids the marrying of white people with negroes. [Continued laughter and applause.] I will add one further word, which is this: that I do not understand that there is any place where an alteration of the social and political relations of the negro and the white man can be made except in the State Legislature—not in the Congress of the United States—and as I do not really apprehend the approach of any such thing myself, and as Judge Douglas seems to be in constant horror that some such danger is rapidly approaching, I propose as the best means to prevent it that the Judge be kept at home and placed in the State Legislature to fight the measure. [Uproarious laughter and applause.] I do not propose dwelling longer at this time on this subject.

  149. mike says:


    IF i ever see a car with a CONFEDERATE LICENSE plate, I WILL KEY IT BEYOND belief… even SPRAY PAINT it k, and also PUNCTURE the TIRES.I hope they do allow it i will be LICKING MY LIPS…

  150. alan says:

    ANYONE who would be DUMB enough to get CONFEDERATE plates , I guess DON’T LIKE their VEHICLES, Those cars will GET MESSED UP , I would give an illegal 10 bucks to do a nice SPRAY paint JOB.

  151. area51 says:

    We have to purchase license plates to put on our vehicles. It is not like the state is using someones tax money to produce and then issue them. Shouldn’t we have a choice of what we want on them?


    JUST LIKE I HAVE EVERY RIGHT TO KEY AND MESS UP YOUR CAR.i hope you get it , i’ll be waiting

  152. cheryl says:

    When whites show pride in their heritage, then they are racist, yet it’s perfectly alright to have the Black Miss America, Jet Magazine, and the BET Network


    Hey LOSER!!!!!! BLACKS are the MINORITY here in America , there is no double standard if blacks have their own books and TV stations…Its important blacks have groups like the NAACP to protect their , INTEREST against the MAJORITY,, Whites are the MAJORITY and CONTROL everything . there is NO reason for them to act like they are the MINORITY, you are asking for big problems if that happens.

    In South Africa its OKAY for whites to come out in PRIDE and push for their B.E.T and TV stations because they are the MINORITY , and that’s quiet ok with blacks there, I hope this little education lesson was helpful to you.

    1. Jimmy L. Shirley Jr. says:

      Can you prove that assertion about South Africa?
      Do you even know what a “double standard” is?

    2. Robert E. Lee says:


      It’s “quite” not “quiet”. I hope this lesson was educational to you.

  153. william says:

    Perry already considered secession. Problem is: if Texas left these rotten other States, how do you keep millions from moving there?

  154. don says:

    At first I thought,”Why not” it’s part of our history and shuldn’t symbolize anything else. But then I thought, what if Germany wanted to display the NAZI flag on their license plates. I changed my mind.

  155. deepsouth says:

    Since the Confederacy was a separate country, shouldn’t Texas also offer a tag with the Mexican flag to honor that part of their heritage? Or is this a Whites only club?

  156. Will says:

    I think it’s plain wrong to call it “honoring confederate veterans of the civil war.” It only raises old tensions and is not unifying, but rather separating.

    TX, I admire you, but please don’t fall for such an obvious trick to condone bitter feelings about the war. It’s over. It’s been for 150 years now.

  157. Jane Fulmer says:

    Granted the Confederacy consisted of our brothers, but they did secede and they did create another nation. Since when does the United States put a defeated nation or in other foreign nation’s flag on any US government product? Bottom line the Confederacy is a US defeated nation. Would we put the Mexican or Canadian flag on our plates? How about the Chinese flag, Iranian flag, German Nazi flag? Come on let’s use some common sense. We are United States citizenry and yes we come from many nations, but we govern under the flag of the United States.

  158. ManOnPoint says:

    I live in FL. At the intersection of I-4 and I-75 in Tampa is a huge Confederate flag that is flown and sponsored by the same FL section of the Confederate group. I believe slavery and racism are both wrong, yet have no problem with the flag being flown. I am a native Floridian and know it is part of FL history and know that the Civil War was about State’s Rights, not about what the PC crowd would have you believe. FL changed hands between Union and Confederate control several times. Ask anyone who has long roots in FL and you will get the real story.

  159. Brett Moffatt says:

    One small problem there: This is a Texas plate, not a U.S. plate. We haven’t gone that far down the road, thank God. There have been no problems in other states with SCV plates. Unless Texas has a population that cannot control its hatred and ignorance, there should be no problem.

  160. Patricia S. Godwin says:

    It is obvious that the media person who composed the wording of the poll deliberately worded it in the “trick question” category, which is par for the commie media these days. The Confederate Flag & anything & everything “Confederate” is NOT offensive to “non-ignorance” people who KNOW the REAL TRUTH about the history of this country!

    Pat Godwin – Selma, Alabama

  161. Hillbilly_haven says:

    Please let Texas succeed so the US can bomb that hillbilly haven into a parking lot and take the oil fields.

  162. Charlie T says:

    Is this proposed license plate flag any of the REAL confederate flags, such as the “Stars and Bars” or the “Stainless Banner? If not it is NOT a confederate flag! The battle flag of the Army of Northern Virginia or the Army of Tennessee is what the current uneducated think is the “confederate flag”. It has been PART of the flag, but is NOT, by itself a confederate flag and never has been. I fly a Stars and Bars on my vehicles in the DC area because the numb-nuts who live there have no idea what it is. Watch the opening scenes from “Gone With The Wind” and you’ll see a real confederate flag.

  163. Rocky says:

    Texas has always paid a high price in troop loss keeping America free. If they want a Confererate flag they deserve to have it.

    Check out

  164. Daisy Duke says:

    I have a huge flag on my roof! Who cares if they don’t make an official plate. Just by the same small confederate flag decal and put it on your plate. That was easy

  165. Rebelwithacause says:

    In 1972 I attended a highschool (Catholic) whose football team is called the Rebels. They sold rebel license plates then and still do today. I am proud that they have not given in to liberal PC

  166. FedUp! says:

    I wish Pennsylvania would adopt a Civil War symbol, too. The Confederate Flag is a symbol of history which no one, not even the libs, can change! It’s an historical symbol, not offensive. I bet very few know that blacks in africa SOLD their own kind into slavery?! Very few know the Civil War wasn’t just about slavery! Very few know Lincoln wanted to ship freed slaves back to africa! Boy, would that have been something! Think about all the entitlement money this Country would be saving!!

  167. Donald White says:

    As usual, the winners get to write the historythat is commenly accepted. Thus, it is the North’s slant that the war of Aggression was fought over slavery and not the principle that each state has the Constitutional right to withdraw from the Union. Do you really think all those Southern men who gave their lives were trying to protect the 2-3% of southerners who owned slaves? Thay’s insulting to the honor and memory of these fallen heroes of Liberty. To sum up, the war was fought over the notion that federal law trumps states rights. The Southern States left the Union peacefully. They had no idea, that Lincoln would commit the Northern War of Aggressiom on people who wanted to be left alone.. When the North won, all americans lost liberty to all powerful Federal Government. And, to my black countrymen, if you think Lincoln actually liked you, you need to take another look and read his letters and read what his closest friends had to say about him.

  168. Swim home, immigrant says:

    Seems that ‘diversity’ tolerates every form of degeneracy under the sun – gay pride, black pride, La Raza pride, commie pride, but don’t let someone display one of those awful confederate flags.

    All you Whiteophobes need to find another continent to live on.

  169. Randy Hicks SR. says:

    I am a member of the SCV here in Texas and i will always be, in South TX
    where i live you can drive thru any town close to the Border and you
    see the Mexican Flag flying everywhere there is a very Large one in Eagle Pass
    Tx. i think it is at a Us Bank no one winnes or Belly aches about this Flag.
    Look people the Mexican Flag bigger than a car no one Says a Word…….
    But now we try to get a small Confederate Flag on our lic. Plates Come on
    People Wake UP !!!!!! .

  170. B. Williams says:

    Looking at the picture on the story, it looks like the emblem being depicted is that of the Sons of Confederate Veterans. This is a non-political organization limited to the descendants of veterans and dedicated to preserving the history of their ancestors. In Texas any organization may request specialty plates for their members.

    Shame of the reporter for the ignorance and race baiting displayed. As usual the press calls the NAACP in DC distorts the facts and manufacturers a racist story. I would not expect more for such a shoddy organization as anyone associated with CBS.

    Apparently Texas plates with the Florida Gator logo on it were not interesting enough for these hacks.

  171. jack says:

    While I have no problem flying the Confederate Flag and I respect Southern history, those of you railing against Lincoln and the United States are being more divisive then our socialist President. Why do you hate Abraham Lincoln for Gods sake?Even Lee respected Lincoln! Seriously, we need the South and their spirit if we are going to preserve the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. Our sons and daughters fought against tyranny, monarchy, Naziism, communism, and now terrorism TOGETHER. Stop the secession talk for goodness sake. Its ridiculous after nearly 400 years of our shared history on this continent.

  172. Andrew says:

    We already have that in our state. They are called rednecks.

  173. zack says:

    Dose darn negras in da whitehouse is ruienin our country fo sure

  174. Matthew J. Weaver says:

    Anybody choosing to purchase and display the Confederate flag is a self-professed racist and celebrant of treason against the U.S. This flag has no more place in society than does the Nazi flag. Anyone displaying either should be sanctioned. For example, If an employee or prospective employee showed up to work with that flag on their car, they should be fired or not hired, as the case might be.

  175. SandyfromMO says:

    You go, Texas!

  176. Yukiko says:

    Perhaps Ms Hilary Shelton, with the NAACP in Washington, D.C, should spend more time worrying about racial problems in DC instead of Texas. Between the Southern Democrats and the Black Panthers Ms Shelton should have enough to keep him busy at home.

  177. W.H. "Bill" Gutgesell says:

    We do not need a divisive argument at this time; we would be well advised to simply leave it alone. Anybody can put a decal on a part of the car’s window (unless prohibited by law in a particular state.)

  178. Cassandra1833 says:

    To begin with, Confederate veterans (and thus their symbols) were afforded status equal to that of any other U.S. veteran by an act approved by Congress on May 23, 1958 and signed into law by President Dwight D. Eisenhower. Therefore, the Confederate flags – including the battle flag – have been given legal status and protection. Whatever people “think” about these symbols (if they actually “think” at all) is irrelevant. Furthermore, it is also irrelevant because the First Amendment protects our God-given rights of freedom of speech and expression. And since the Constitution does not protect against being “offended,” I would say that with regard to the battle flag, “the ayes have it!” As for being “offended,” how offensive is it to have that question asked of something one reveres every time the matter comes before the public. Replace the “battle flag” with some other symbol of some other group – say, the “gay pride’s rainbow flag” or posters of Martin Luther King. How “offensive” would it be for those whose symbols these are to have that question asked of others regarding their own icons? Very, I’m sure. And they would respond that the “offended” individual has no business telling THEM what to do. Well, what’s sauce for the goose, as the old saying goes, is sauce for the gander. I say to the “offended ones” what flag foes never tire of saying to us, “Get over it!”

  179. Brett Moffatt says:

    People hate Lincoln for a number of reasons. As I said, if you read the definition of treason, you have Lincoln. He didn’t care about slavery, and if it would have kept the South in the union, so they could pay taxes…follow the money trail, the would have made slavery permanent. The South left the union to avoid the tax increases the North passed. Read Charles Adams, “When in the Course of Human Events” and you will understand. Also Lincoln destroyed the republic trying to save the union, and his precious taxes. Read Dr. Clyde WIlson, “Defending Dixie” and “From Union to Empire.” Lincoln was a Hamiltonian, not a Jeffersonian. He wanted bigger government so his backers could make more money. That’s why we have these problems today. Lincoln destroyed the work of the Founders, and we need to undo those unconstitutional changes in the federal government. Sorry, but slavery had almost nothing to do with it.

  180. Tom says:

    Let people buy it if they want !!!!! Stop the censorship !!!! It made me laugh when the article stated that some schools were named after Confederate Generals- what about our military bases (Hood, Benning, Jackson, Lee, A.P. Hill) !!!! Should we change them too !!!!!!!!

  181. Proud Texan says:

    Get over it, people. If you don’t like that license plate, don’t buy one.

  182. Dale Presley says:

    Since the actual “Confederate” flag that Texas used in the War Between The States, is in fact, their present state flag, then the Confederate flag has and always will be flying in Texas. The flag that is being proposed is a battlefield flag used to organize the many different units that would have been on the field from the different nations that made up the Confederacy. And since every state had some sort of Confederate forces at that time, then ALL state flags that were used during that period should be changed and not displayed on public property.
    Is this what should be done? If that is what the thoughts of a flag causing hate, then lets change them all. But it is the holders not the flags.

  183. WMM says:

    let us pray for one another and seek to glorify Christ and not think to highly of ourselves or to little of one another,
    This debate is pointless and no one seems to be looking at the real issue of how CBS has spun this and presented in order to control you.
    This license plate is lawful just as all the other personalized plates out there!
    Protected and gauranteed by our Constitution under the first amendment.
    It will only be offered to those who chose to pay a lot of extra money for it!
    It will cost the state a lot of money to deny it as it is unlawful and a lawsuit will happen if they illegally forbid it.
    It also does not have a Confederate Battle Flag on it, it is the emblem of “The Sons Of Confederate Veterans”

  184. Opie says:

    Blacks have been slapping themselves in the face for a long time to draw attention to their “struggle”. I guess maybe we should stop supporting the negro league baseball museums because the word Negro is used, or maybe “colored” people in NAACP. Nice double standard, don’t you think?

  185. pmcclaren says:

    1776–13 sovereign nations declared their independence and SECEDED. Tyrannical english king eventyally surrendered to 13 sovereign nations. 1787–delegates were charged to amend the original Articles of Confederation. Instead they abolished them replacing with a constitution for one gross nation. g washington approved.
    1861–15 sovereign nations SECEDED from the tyrannical abram linclown. The Confederate Constitition restored states rights; also acknowledging Almight God AND his Son Jesus Chris. the flag is designed from the St Andrew cross of Scotland; Andrew was Jesus’ apostle. Thus an attack on the flag is an attack upon Christianity.
    Robt E Lee said after the war the new American Empire would be aggressive abroad (ref all u s wars since) and despotic at home (ref current tyrannical rubbish after 150 yrs of this).
    I just want my COUNTRY of the great state of MISSISSIPPI back. The only solution is, thus, Hint: it is capitalised twice in above . . . . . . . .

  186. Charles K Rosenberger says:

    I am sick and tired of certain groups or people the think what other people do,say or display as offensive. I served 12 years in the military for all to have the right to say, do or display their feelings. this flag is a part of our history wether some people like it or not. there are many out there that do things that offened me but that is their god given right and many men and women have died in our service for this right. in fact I had family that fought on both sides of that war and no one in my family from the south had ever owned a slave so I do not owe anyone anything.

  187. Brett Moffatt says:

    pmcclaren, greetings from the Republic of Tennessee. The Kennedy Twins, of “The South Was Right” fame have a project on nullifying tyranny. I Just finished their latest book, “Nullifying Tyranny” and their website has more details of the project to return the country to a Constitutional republic.

  188. R. Thom says:

    This is another case of the NAACP trying to make everhthing about RACE. They will not admit that many of the farmer soldiers and some free slaves fought for the south. The NAACP has to continue their HATE agenda no matter what it takes. Whether at the Polls or in our schoos or trying to distroy our history. And for all of you Yankess that think you are Southern Texans, your NOT. If you don’t like our Texas history and those that fought and died for her no matter which war, get the heck out of our state. We don’t need you and didn’t ask for you. NAACP you need to get out too, go up north and suck on their Wafare System not Texas’s.

  189. Reb says:

    I suggest that you visit the Heritage Wars link and debate with some of the folks over there – I guarantee you will get an education at

    Take the poll while you are there and kick up a fuss so the good ol boys will pay attention to you.

  190. Brett Moffatt says:

    If you still believe slavery was only in the South, that slavery is tied to the Confederacy and not the United States, and that the Confederate flag stands for slavery, you haven’t been paying attention. It has all been explained here. Read “When in the Course of Human Events”. There are many websites with the truth. Read the Corwin Amendment. Tariffs caused the war, plain and simple. The Constitutional principles involved in the Southern secession were the same as those of the American War for Independence. Everything in our history is either Hamiltonian or Jeffersonian, according to Dr. Clyde Wilson. Read ‘Defending Dixie’ or “From Union to Empire.” The power grab by the Lincoln regime, besides fitting the exact definition of treason in the Constitution, was an unconstitutional Hamiltonian act. We have been suffering under the results for 150 years.

  191. Brett Moffatt says:

    Y’all don’t seem to learn very quickly. The Confederacy was no more trying to keep people down than the United States, which brought them here in the first place. If you think slavery was the cause of the war, you have not read you history.
    “When in the Course of Human Events” by Charles Adams]
    “The Real Lincoln” by Thomas DiLorenzo.
    “Hamilton’s Curse: How Jefferson’s Archenemy Betrayed the American Revolutioni- and What It Means for America Today” by Thomas DiLorenzo
    “From Union to Empire” by Clyde Wilson
    “Defending Dixie” by Clyde Wilson
    and anything by Donnie and Ronnie Kennedy
    If you haven’t read any of these, you’ve probably learned what you know about Confederate history from someone who has a stake in keeping the Leviathan of a federal government which we have in power. Those are called ‘Court historians’ and they simply do the bidding of their masters.

  192. Mark Harris says:

    The plate is not a issue of race nor is it about slavery or racist. It is about heritage. The Southern states succeeded due to its government was not working for them. And as its said in the Bill of rights, and Abraham Lincoln said it himself, Ill use his words ” Any people anywhere, being inclined and having the power, have the right to rise up, and shake off the existing government, and form a new one that suits them better. This is a most valuable – a most sacred right – a right, which we hope and believe, is to liberate the world.”
    The war was about taxation and the rights of the people and the right to have a better way of life. The Union was taxing Southern goods to the point, a working man could not make a good living for him and his family.
    As for the emancipation proclamation, if you take the time to read it, it only freed slaves in areas that were not under Union control. No think about that, If you lived in the North and were a slave, you were NOT freed under that act. If you lived in a state that succeeded from the Union, you were considered freed. But there is two problems with that. The Union had no control over the South, how could it make a law that controled anything that happened in the South. And here is the best part, The act only freed areas that were not under Union control, so, if (and this happened) the Union took back over an Southern area, then the slaves in that area were NO LONGER free under that act. Only after the war, was the 13th ammendment put into place and that was because it was needed for a political gain the North had to do.
    Im not racist. And I believe that no man should be a slave, black or white. My family were of Irish decent and the Irish were considered slaves low class and were considered slaves themselves. (again, learn your history, you will see )
    The plate is not a hate thing, not a racist thing. Its heritage. Its to honor our for-fathers who were fighting for the rights of their family, their land and their way of life. My family owned 200 acres of land. Farmed it day and night to scratch a living for themselves. We did it on our own. Just the family. NO SLAVES ever were on our property. But still, we fought for the Confederacy. Lived in MO and did what was rt for our family. We did it then, and will do it again. Just like now, our government was taxing familys to the poor house, taking rights away from its people. Happened then, its happening now. Slavery as an issue is a smoke screen. The ONLY reason slavery came into the issue was the Union was not gaining ground. And the British were comming to help aid the Southern states. The british had trade goods with the Union, and knew that they to were being taxed on bought goods, that were comming from the South. It would have been sheaper to deal with Southern states and a Southern Government than the taxing Union government. But with the Union bringing in the issues of slavery, the British could not fight for any side were slavery was a issue do to their laws. Think about it, is the North wanted to stop slavery, why write the emancipation proclamation which was only a act of war law, not a Federal Law. Why not just pass the 13th ammendment rt then. Its because the Union didnt want to stop slavery, they only wanted to stop the British from helping the South. In Lincolns own words on slavery, they were ” My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or to destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that. What I do about slavery, and the colored race, I do because I believe it helps to save the Union; and what I forbear, I forbear because I do not believe it would help to save the Union. I shall do less whenever I shall believe what I am doing hurts the cause, and I shall do more whenever I shall believe doing more will help the cause.”
    So again, its not about race, its about heritage. The plate is about heritage. So stop hiding behind the slavery thing just to have something to argue about. Take your organization and use it for good. Help our poor, help get laws for better education, jobs and help rebuild this country. Not go around saying poor me, slavery was a bad thing, my people were wronged. I dont want to see a flag. Well that flag is part of our history. Dont hide history, embrase it, learn from it and move forward. You dont see me arguing about how MY people (Irish) were wronged. My family just stood up, made a name for ourselves and did what we needed to do for our family and did what we could to make this nation a great one.

  193. Cassandra1833 says:

    Please show me where in the Constitution is there a provision forbidding anyone to be offended by the free speech and expression protected in the First Amendment of the Bill of Rights?

  194. Jimmy L. Shirley Jr. says:

    “The principle, on which the war was waged by the North, was simply this: That men may rightfully be compelled to submit to, and support, a government that they do not want; and that resistance, on their part, makes them traitors and criminals. No principle, that is possible to be named, can be more self-evidently false than this; or more self-evidently fatal to all political freedom. Yet it triumphed in the field, and is now assumed to be established. If it really be established, the number of slaves, instead of having been diminished by the war, has been greatly increased; for a man, thus subjected to a government that he does not want, is a slave. And there is no difference, in principle — but only in degree — between political and chattel slavery. The former, no less than the latter, denies a man’s ownership of himself and the products of his labor; and asserts that other men may own him, and dispose of him and his property, for their uses, and at their pleasure.”
    — Lysander Spooner, 19th century lawyer, abolitionist, and entrepreneur

    It has been said that the secession of the Southern States was due exclusively upon the issue of protecting the institute of involuntary African servitude and nothing else, certainly not having to do with tariffs/taxation.
    Even if that were true, which we deny, consider this. If the tariff issue had no play at all in secession, it most certainly had eveything to do with the waging of war by the United States upon the Confederate States. This was so spoken by none other than the American Lenin himself, a. lincoln. I quote from his first inaugural address, “The power confided to me will be used to hold, occupy, and possess the property and places belonging to the Government and to collect the duties and imposts; but beyond what may be necessary for these objects, there will be no invasion, no using of force against or among the people anywhere.”
    So, what was this about if not the collection of taxes/tariffs? If secession had not to do with money, certain it is, based on the very words of the war mongerer himself, that the implimenting of war itself DID!
    — Jimmy L. Shirley Jr. 20th/21st Century Southern defender/philosopher, SCV member, historian

  195. Texas Rose says:

    “ALL MEN WOULD BE TRYANTS IF THEY COULD”, aBAIGAL aDAMS. I personally consider this not an inditment against men but of the ENtIRE human race. —-Blood was spilled in the South & every home was a hospital, the wouldns are deep. ===Northern Industrialists treated their workers like—.. andrew Carneige didnt’ give his steel workers a raise for 10 years & where were the medical benefits?

  196. Unuccicronopy says:

    Каждая галактика это слеза бога, мы найдем наше будушее для других нацизм это рейс это довольно это постоянно
    Черный квадрат и коричневый стяг,
    Крест всего меч и святая свастика
    инь янь и мандала, исламскеий полумесяц –


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