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Donald Trump is reviving his call for the U.S. to engage in more extreme interrogation methods, saying the country has to be “pretty vicious” sometimes.

Trump was talking about the barbaric tactics used by Islamic State militants at a rally that drew thousands to an Albuquerque airport hangar. He scoffed at the fact that President Barack Obama has barred the use of waterboarding — a tactic Trump has long insisted works.

He says, “We have to be in some cases pretty vicious, to be honest with you.”

The Senate Intelligence Committee’s report in late 2014 concluded that no actionable intelligence was gained from the detainees who were put in ice baths, threatened with death, kept in cages, waterboarded and subjected to sleep deprivation, booming music and other forms of psychological torture.

Trump is raising eyebrows with his decision to campaign in Democratic states like New Mexico and Michigan.

But Trump says that he’s a different kind of Republican and expects to win the state.

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