Schools Giving Tickets, Not Detention Slips, Report Says

DALLAS (CBSDFW.COM) – Court has become a deterrent instead of detention for some North Texas students.

The social and economic group Texas Appleseed collected five years worth of data from 22 districts across the state and found young students, including a six year old in Dallas, who received class C misdemeanor tickets for things like disrupting class, leaving school early and school yard brawls that didn’t include weapons.

“Dallas ISD was one of the districts that had a very large number of elementary school students that were issued class C misdemeanors,” said Deborah Fowler, of Texas Appleseed.

Over the course of five years, more than 1200 elementary students in DISD received a ticket.

O.M. Roberts Elementary parent found Abby Amadore found that alarming.  “It’s the (school district’s) job to help us as parents to help them determine what’s right from wrong. I don’t think it’s correct to give them a ticket at six years old,” said Amadore.

In 2006-2007, over 4,000 DISD students received tickets but one parents said depending on the student’s age it may not be a bad way to curtail persistent misbehavior.

“It just depends the age and what the student did,” said DISD parent Claudia Diaz.

Data shows the tickets can cost a family as much as $500.

DISD issued a statement on the report, saying  “The district’s number one priority is safety and the learning environment should never be compromised. The vast majority of our students are not disruptive. Those who do receive tickets are hopefully learning that their actions have consequences.”

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  • Mark Orr

    If parents would do there job and spank there kids and let teachers spank the kids; a judge would not have to be involved! Is it any wonder homes schooling is so popular? School systems should force these trouble makeing kids and parents who do not believe in coporal punishment to homeschool!!!!!!

    • Girl Gone Wise

      Bahahaha. That was a funny social experiment.

      “…in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measures you use, it will be measured to you. Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay on attention to the plank in your ow eye?”

    • Ricochet

      It is legal for a teacher to spank your kids in Texas and there is nothing you can do about it unless you want to change the law.
      Here it is from the Texas penal code.

      § 9.62. EDUCATOR-STUDENT. The use of force, but not
      deadly force, against a person is justified:
      (1) if the actor is entrusted with the care,
      supervision, or administration of the person for a special purpose;
      (2) when and to the degree the actor reasonably
      believes the force is necessary to further the special purpose or to
      maintain discipline in a group.

      Acts 1973, 63rd Leg., p. 883, ch. 399, § 1, eff. Jan. 1, 1974.
      Amended by Acts 1993, 73rd Leg., ch. 900, § 1.01, eff. Sept. 1,

      • Audra home school mom

        I never done hear tell ’bout no coperal punishment. Is it worse than corporal? Actually, it is more than proper to strive for correct spelling and grammar if one wants one’s point to be taken seriously. These things used to be taught in public school.

      • Grizzlyman

        All I can think of after reading this article is Home School. Take away their daily payment for your children and give them a better education as well.

      • TomB

        Im pretty sure that was Mr Orr’s point, Ricochet. Change the law and let them do it again.

      • Bob

        yep, great addendum… wish we had it here in FL. Spare the rod, spoil the child. Plain and simple. True then, true now.

      • d

        It is legal for spanking, but only if the school has received WRITTEN permission from the parents- if your child is spanked and you have not signed a form stating that is your preferred method of punishment- sue the school-that is considered abuse.

      • d

        Suspend them-don’t ticket them.

        The schools ticket instead of suspend because they do not want to lose their daily head count dollar for the child.
        Instead, the child is allowed to continue in the classroom putting the rest of the children in danger-
        School administration ONLY cares about the dollar, not the safety of our children.

      • Ron

        The problem is that, in most cases, it is the parents who need to be spanked. Hitting them in the pocket with a fine will not solve the problem, but it may help!

      • T

        Dig a little deeper, Bob. That’s NOT what “spare the rod, spoil the child” means. Use your brain for a change people, not your hand.

    • ron

      It’s taken decades of incremental change to arrive at this point. Parents have surrendered their parental rights bit by bit to the state and the state continues to take more and more. The family is undone and we wonder why things are getting worse. We’re getting what we deserve.

    • SkyRoller

      “…ow eye?” should be “… own eye?”

    • reefer01

      With all due respect, Pilot, you should learn when to use the word “as”.

    • Mac

      With all due respect, reefer, he used the word “as” correctly.
      Roll another one and contemplate definition #8:

      • reefer01

        Mac – You have assumed that “reefer01” refers to marijuana. Not so! Case closed. I appreciate the humor though. Now. – Both “because” and “since” can be used to mean “for the reason that.” You want to be careful, though, that “since” can’t be misinterpreted with its “temporal” meaning (“since this morning”). In other words, if there’s a chance that “since” can be misunderstood, use “because.” The same is true of “as”: don’t use it to mean “because” where there is any chance it could be misunderstood in the temporal sense (“while”). Using “as” instead of “because” is apt to sound rather fussy and stilted anyway.

        Authority: New York Public Library Writer’s Guide to Style and Usage HarperCollins: New York. 1994. p. 40. Cited with permission.

        In the case of Pilot’s response to Mark, the word “as” could mean Mark should be using a spell checker WHILE he is not writing English. I didn’t say Pilot was necessarily WRONG…but that he might consider another word besides “as”. Thanks for the discourse.

    • RufusVonDufus

      It is apparent that idiots thrive on these sites by simply reading the above two posts.

    • David

      You mispelled “argument”, genius.

    • MDR

      hahaha, porper spooling, right guys?

    • zeroid

      Give him a misdemeanor ticket for his mispelling

    • T

      How many teeth do you have, Mark? Grow up and start using what researchers know about child development. Maybe that’s what missing here…people are doing the same things over and over again all the while expecting different results. Pick up a few books here and there and wise up some! Hitting NEVER solves a darn thing…

      • SkyRoller

        Just ticket them, like the article says,

      • HENRY D


      • Mr. Spooge

        Everyone I’ve ever hit would disagree with you.

      • Charles Diaz

        AS a matter of fact, I was paddled on three different occasions in my twelve years of public school attendance. It got my attention every single time and caused me to straighten up and fly right. It left no emotional scars and no resentment. I knew I did wrong and learned I would be held accountable when I did wrong. It works.

      • T'd off

        Really? Look around you, the evidence is contrary to your statement. All those lofty suggestions from ‘expert’ researchers that we have embraced for the past 5 decades have failed miserably. Our society is full of materialistic narcissists who lack moral character. Like you, T…someone who blindly equates a misfortune in dental health with a lack of intelligence. Lowly traditional parenting techniques were doing a much better job of raising kids before the experts came along.

      • Rog

        that sounds “insane” hehe

    • davo

      btw, it’s “misspelled” and “misspelling”

    • Will

      My teachers did try putting their hands on me…even in the 6th grade I knew better than to let anyone put there hand on me….so when someone hit me…I hit them back! I was tormented from the moment I left a Cathloic school where I was at lest 2 grades ahead of everyone I was stuck with….the public school kids. Mostly were ill managed and every class I ever had had some wise ass mouthing off distrupting my day. Public school did a great job of killing my sprit….I just could never conform to sucking up to the teachers who were basicly idots with a teaching job!

      • SkyRoller

        “…basicly idots..” should be “…basically idiots”

    • hank

      First spank the parents for not letting the teachers spanki the children, then spank the children.

      • SkyRoller

        “…spanki…” should be “…spank…”

    • Dan12344

      The quotation mark goes outside the period.

      “home schooling.”

    • john b

      Since when is it legal for a school district to write tickets, whats next search warrant on little johnnys bedroom to make sure he is doing his home work.

      • flpthbrd

        They already tried that when school sent home laptops with spycams on them, remember?

    • tdjazz

      Don’t assume that because a child received a ticket that their parents are not doing their job at home. I do believe in discipline and hold my kids accountable, but my daughter was issued a ticket for an argument with a girl who had been actively persuing & threatening her for weeks. She received this ticket on top of 5 days of ISS when the other young lady pushed her & persued her to argue even after my daughter told her repeatedly that she had nothing to say to her. This argument happened outside the lunchroom during the lunch period, but she was issued a ticket for disruption of class. The argument ended on it’s own without any adult involvement . . . in fact the officer had to call them back to him because they had already started walking away. These tickets are absolutely outrageous, especially when you are dealing with an AP student who has never been in trouble before. Unless these children are breaking actual LAWS, these tickets are absolutely obsurd!!!

    • Lee

      You have a good idea but the parents in most cases are dunber than the kids.

    • hadassah1582

      In Dallas schools still give corporal punishment

    • Theresa

      Overuse of ticket issuing is rampant. My grandson got a criminal ticket for dispruptive behavior for getting out his chair. According to the School’s own Code of Conduct that is a Level 1 offense, and Level 1 offenses do not result in ticket citation. My guess, this goes on all the time.

  • John

    I saw this report on the news. I have no problem with students receiving tickets. I am a teacher at a school that does not hand out tickets, but I wish we could. Tickets wouldn’t need to be handed out if parents would do their job at home. When a teacher calls the parents at home, the parents do not take care of the problem. So unfortunately, schools have to find some way to handle the problem. Maybe next time the report should focus on what parents are not doing at home and get off of the schools back. Public schools are doing the best they can with the resources given to them.

    • Girl Gone Wise

      I have worked with a diverse group of students and their parents. I, too, see there is a great need for parents to be more involved in the lives of their children. It is good that teachers recognize this disconnect; however, the solution to the problem is wrong. Punishing the parent will surely lead to more stress at home and could expand the disconnect between child and parent… child and teacher… child and authority…

      Many moms and dads don’t know how to play their role as parents and lead their children. So, schools could offer parenting workshops. Perhaps give an incentive to complete them, or require parents to take them for a student’s grade, or charge for no participation in the workshops.

      Without question, the relationships between student, teacher and parent need to be strengthened – they need more attention than PTA meetings. Schools could find ways to encourage Parent Groups, to offer support and hold each other accountable. Or the good parents can reach out to others and start this on their own. Schools can require more parent-teacher time.

      There are many ways to go about this, and I’m pleased to see and open dialogue.

      Also, I wonder… Does receiving a misdemeanor ticket at such a young age take away the novelty of tickets as a teenager? As students become older, will the magnitude of caution against breaking law decrease? Will ticketed children grow up to be careless lawbreakers?

    • Ricochet

      If it is true that you are in fact a teacher, it is sad that you feel this way. I mean, an educated person that works with people for a living should be a little more tuned in to human nature. It is normal for someone of any age to try to get away with as much as they can. Children will always push their boundaries. And it doesn’t stop there. Adults tend to work more diligently when a supervisor is looking over their shoulder. So maybe the truth of the matter is that these so called ‘misbehaving children’ are well-behaved at home. And when they get to school they aren’t around an adult with whom they sense authority. I am 43 years old and an educated man. I have children in elementary and high school. I have a brother and a sister in law that teach elementary school. I teach continuing education at a local college. I hear experiences all the time. I can tell you for a fact that the teachers today tend to be more childish, for lack of a better word, then they were when I was in school. So maybe it’s time for teachers to grow up and quit pretending like they are “in” school and start acting like they “teach” school.

      • John

        I do “teach”. I am not referring to talking out of turn or testing the waters. I’m referring to students that cause real trouble. I am VERY professional and take offense to being called otherwise by a complete stranger.

      • Joey

        John you said “Tickets wouldn’t need to be handed out if parents would do their job at home. When a teacher calls the parents at home, the parents do not take care of the problem. ”

        John you said “I am VERY professional and take offense to being called otherwise by a complete stranger”

        I am a parent ( and a complete stranger to you ) and I do care for my childrens education, you take offense for being called out on something by a complete stranger, but your comments are lumping all of us concerned parents into the same group as those parents who may not care about their childs education. You offend all of us caring parents! What Hypocrisy you have!!!

      • Pilot.Dave

        Get a grip on your liberal mind if at all possible. John understands the problem and could “try” to educate you…. but you seem to be part of the problem.

      • allinadayswork

        You might be educated, however you dont have a clue.
        It is also human nature to learn from their mistakes….that includes parents. Letting a parent feel some of society’s pain because they choose not to address their kids’ issues is what the world needs more of Usually these “bad parents” react very well when you hit them in their pocket books. The teachers cant punish the kids, so what incentive do the kids have to stop if mom (or dad if they have one) wont?

      • fedupwfed

        One big problem is the PARENTS will not allow the teachers or the schools to handle the problem. Let the schools fire that rear-end ocassionally and that woud help.

      • Notsoclueless

        Ricochet, you’re clueless. I’m sure you’re the type that deals with rebellious or misbehaving children by negotiating with them aren’t you. You’re right, it is human nature to push boundaries, but you apparently missed the life lesson that says we’re all responsible for our actions and thus have to deal with the consequences thereof. I have a real hard time believing that there exists any non-trivial number of children who are perfect little angels at home and little hellions at school. By and large the kids that consistently misbehave at school aren’t expected to do much better at home.

      • bill

        I have worked at an alternative school for students who have been removed from the normal campus for one reason or another. The tickets are an effort to draw the parents in to help solve the issues, and only done if absolutely necessary. Nobody wants to give a student’s parent a ticket. Persistent uncorrectable misbehavior at school does not typically coincide with angelic behavior at home. There are parents who refuse to “parent,” and perhaps need an incentive to help. The other students should not suffer needlessly because of a misbehaving student. And the reality is, if the situation is not corrected, with the help of the parent hopefully, the student will end up expelled or in juvenile detention.

      • Ron Jones

        Well you’ve had enough faux “righteous indignation” heaped upon you by folks that got the vapours over your comments… So I’ll not pile on.

        However (and this is not an endorsement of any NEA position), you can’t hold teachers solely accountable for the success or failure of their students. It is parents who are, in the long run, who bear the shame, or the credit, for why little Johnny can’t read (or write, or speak properly, or conjugate verbs, or add, or subtract, or engage in basic reasoning…).

        First, eliminate the “compulsory” aspect of public education. Some parents/children will swim to the bottom, regardless. We should not allow them to detract from the learning experience of others.

        Second, if government MUST be involved in education (or retirement, or medical care, etc ad nauseum), and I’m not convinced it needs to be so… make County government the responsible organisation. That way, it is close, and accountable to the taxpayers who pay the bills.

        We’ve seen over the last 100+ years that everything the government touches, turns to fecal waste. Yet there are those who want to give the government ever more power and responsibility.

        It’s cultural suicide.

      • David

        If John were teaching my kid, he’d been needing that Obamacare to have the boot removed from his back side. These teachers are nothing more than social leaches. They complain about money, class size, free time, benefits. They are the problem. When I was a kid, there were 40 kids in my class. I went to college prepared. I knew math, science, and english. Our HS was only 180 strong. If a little school in the middle of nowhere can prep kids for college with 40 per class, why are these liberal leech teachers complaining.

      • tdjazz

        Right on Ricochet . . . ALOT of teachers act worse than the kids and actually do all they can to instigate and cause more problems for the kids. Yes, the school system is out of control – both with the kids and the adults!!!

    • Pete

      Love it when teachers talk about how the parents need to “Do their jobs at home”. That is a very self serving argument that takes the responsibility for reinforcing what parents do at home – instead excusing the8-9 hours of chaos that public schools offer each day. Do me a favor – Have teachers reinforce the best parts of what I do at home for the 8-9 hours per day that I place my child in the schools care. The chaos that is public education does too much in terms of undoing the values that I teach at home, and they should acknowledge that not shift the blame onto parents.

    • Rhadagast

      Richochet, there’s a huge difference between being educated and having a store of wisdom. You clearly lack the latter. For you to imply that John is childish based on his comments is quite ironic. I might post some comment about about “educated” morons who try to put forth pseudo-intellectual, moralizing bunk, but I don’t have a pressing need to make myself feel superior at the moment. Continuing education indeed…

    • RufusVonDufus


      You should have concluded your last sentence with the following: and the raw materials with which they must work.

    • jimboo

      I teach technical college courses and I’m telling you that you’re stepping over the line – who the hell are you to impose your views of morality, right and wrong etc. on a small child. I submit that you presented yourself in such a way here, that your politics and arrogant attitude are readily visible. A parent should actually smack a clown like you silly, maybe that would teach YOU to start worrying about the so called 3 R’s and avoid social engineering.

    • Me

      John is obviously a liberal non-parent who hates his job and shouldn’t really be around kids. People without kids tend to think that if they aren’t perfect and don’t act like adults, then something is wrong with the parents. I pray to GOD my kids don’t end up with teachers like you John.

    • Bryan Holland

      John’s comments show just how self-centered teachers are today. They believe the students are there for the teacher’s benefit. Unions use children as shields to get as much money and benefits out of the taxpayers as possible. Maybe if mom and dad didn’t have to each work two jobs to pay your salary, they could afford to spend more time with their children. The article itself shows just how selfish the educational system is. Courts and correctional systems are already overburdened and are extremely inefficient. The school has put away the sword and is electing to use the dull butter knife as its weapon. Why, because it can get more political attention by using the method it chose in this case. The solutions are obvious but all the teachers want is bigger checks so the mafia (union) gets a bigger slice of the pie.

    • Jonathan

      Agree some with Ricochet and John…

      Children shouldn’t get tickets.. that’s just a method of doing something half-right in a broken system. This is one more step towards our society treating children like adults… it must stop. Parents are responsible for their children and that is a underlying cause… most parents won’t correct the issue or allow the school to properly. Agree with John that the schools are generally doing the best they can with the current climate and resources provided.

      The school should have full rights to incorporate mild corporal punishment. The rights of the school to provide proper discipline and even the parents is being taken away by the nanny state. See this wikipedia link:

    • Dave

      And it would seem you are more a part of the problem then the solution

    • Midrian

      I’m sorry but what you are spouting is simply nonsense. Parents are forced to hand over their children to the school system for the majority of their days. Parents are not the biggest influence in their childrens’ lives once they leave the home for school.

      Also, I just can’t bring myself to go along with most of the supposed issues the school has had with my son. The idea that he would get into as much trouble for defending himself against a bully as the bully does is just a crock full of steamies. The run and get the ‘authority’ mentality never allows a child to grow up and learn how to handle themselves in the real world… therefore you end up with adults who will actually call the cops instead of say something directly to you if they don’t like how dirty your truck was and the resulting mud in the gutter when you rinse it off.

      The public school system needs to be put out of its misery. Time to clean the slate and start over.

    • MassMom

      Comments like “…parents doing a better job” is a sad, sad reflection of the mindset of some teachers today. A good number of parents work very hard to raise their chidren right. With good communication and parent/teacher participation children thrive. It’s short-sighted to write off student misbehavior as a sign of bad parenting. “John” sounds like he’s burned out as an educator, and is a little more than resentful of parents and public school funding. Perched on his high-horse, you’d think he’d have a better view of the whole problem which is education reform and investing in schools and programs. Education should not be under-funded. The education field should attract the brightest and most enthusiastic educators. Government and taxpayers should compensate teachers well. Schools should have the right resources. All that said, I’m not sure John is the type of teacher that represents the best and the brightest. Handing out tickets is ridiculous practice, a misuse of law, and of town and city resources.

    • Irish67

      I dont have any objection to handing out tickets, but I do object to it being the first response. I feel that kids should be disciplined by detention or some more traditional method. If they fail to attend the detention, then escalate it to a ticket to teach them that if they ignore their accountability for their offense then their parents will face a financial penalty. Give them the opportunity to be held accountable on thie own merit before resorting to ticketing, but ultimately these kids need to learn that there are real consequences to their behavior.

    • Juanita Valdez

      I work for a county prosecutor’s office that just lost a case where a student will now be required to have counsel (yes, an attorney) present for preliminary hearings…in other words, meeting in the principal’s office, if the punishment could be suspension…King County Washington (what would you expect from the soviet republic of Seattle?)

    • Keith

      Maybe if the teachers did a little more to actually educate their students then constantly complaining that you’re not paid enough, your benefits stink, or your overworked (yeah all 180 days) then perhaps the students would actually want to attend school and would pose fewer problems.

      • SkyRoller

        “…then constantly complaining… ” , should be “…than constantly complaining…”
        …your overworked … “, should be “…you’re overworked…”

    • Lee

      John you are correct.

  • Rick Davis

    This happened to us in Ponder in the nineties.
    My son was a good kid. As/Bs on the card then he went to high school. All the sidden, according to the principle/vice principle, he was a gang leader, dope smpker, thief!! Literally!!
    They refused to call me (dad) when problems came up but called the Sheriff instead. Leaving out MANY details, my son wound up in Juvy for school by getting framed…by the Principle.
    All the sudden he(son) came home speaking flent “hood” and knowing an awful lot about the drug culture.
    Long story short, we pulled him from public “school” and opted for home school.
    Some princepals like playing police man, it seems, and RUIN good kids lives!!!

    • Tired of Libs

      Where da baby momma at Ricky? I betcha dat momma and you ain’t married which cuses many probs in da black community…

    • Jessica S, Naples, FL

      Rick Davis

      (1) How long was your son in High School before he was accused of becoming a gang leader/dope smuggler?
      (2) When was your first indication/notification there was a problem? Who told you?
      (3) How did you respond to this first indication/notification?
      (4) If your son lived at home (I assume he did), did he ever tell you he was being “framed” or had trouble with the principal?
      (5) Wouldn’t a good kid tell his family immediately if he was “set up”, “framed”, or otherwise treated unfairly when he went to school?
      (6) How did your son get from “Good kid” to “Juvy resident” without your knowledge?
      (7) When did he suddenly turn up speaking “Hood”?

      I went to school a long time ago. I hated school and most of the teachers, and I’d been accused of things I didn’t do numerous times, but I don’t understand how parents could remain unaware of the progression of problems for such a long time period. Schools AND cops STILL must involve parents in any affair which involves the police. No principal can have a student carted off by the police to do whatever they want to the kid WITHOUT NOTIFYING THE PARENTS!

      How did you remain un-notified, unaware of the allegations, until one day you noticed your son was speaking differently around you than he had in the past? You made a smart move to remove your son from the environment where he was getting into trouble, but how could you be cut-off from events for such a long time?

    • Bill M

      A principal framed your son. All of a sudden he knew all about the drug world and spoke like a gang banger… sounds like your son was, in fact, a thug. Facing responsibility and seeing the truth can be very difficult.

      • DR Ricardo

        I agree. This is a typical example of a black dad (thanks for at least being in the home) blaming everyone but himself for his kid’s lack of character. No one fabricated his son’s dilemma…he just refused to acknowledge it until the kid got in trouble. End of story.

      • RufusVonDufus

        Thanks, Bill, for saving me the time.

      • Midrian

        Uh… I think he meant that -after- the stint in juvy the son came back with that taint on him.

      • Hazeylee

        He did mean he changed AFTER Juvy? That’s what I understood.

      • Ray Clarke

        To Bill M. and especially DI Ricardo, spoken like a true non-black dad, at least the kid in question is in the country legally and did not cross the border probably like mr ricardo, if you have never been a black dad, you cant say what’s typical of a black dad, spew your racist hate somewhere else it does not help the national conversation when that’s all you know and all you spew!

      • Warren Wilson

        Bill M is obviously not father to a confident heterosexual adolescent male. If he were, he would know that teh difference between a leader among men and an aggressive criminal is primarily environment. This is why we need to purge principals like Rick Davis and I have personally dealt with, and why armchair pundits of mediocre at best intelligence and limited parental experience like Bill M need to limit their commentary to areas of their espertise.

    • Squonk32

      DR Ricardo,
      I happen to be a “Black dad”, a 20 year veteran of a local major police department, and a former school officer for 12 of those 20 years as an officer. I do take offense to the supposition that Mr. Davis is black automatically. While I do agree that he is in denial an that his son probably is a thug I have a unique perspective on this issue that no one else here has expressed. I have witnessed this denial in all races and even the deficiencies in spelling and proper grammar. And last, to the “compliment” for Mr. Davis “at least bring in the home”, that was not only insulting but inflamitory. Most black fathers are very positive influences within the lives if their children and the perception otherwise is based upon stereotypes. By the way, I’m a conservative and I voted primarily Republical in the last few elections, just to dispell another possible assumption of yours.

      • Tommy

        Hi, grammar nazi here! Noted four mispellings
        in the latter half of your post. Props to your service to the children though..

      • GSH

        It’s funny, Squonk32. I just assumed the dad was white. And, yes, he is likely in denial about what his son was up to. But there are school officials who overstep their bounds. For them, it’s the only bit of power they have ever had in their small lives, and they go out of their way to wield it.

        As for the other comment – ANY parent who has the dedication to home school a child is a hero. Talking down to him because he mis-typed a word or two is simply ignorant. Whatever the son had done in school, I would be willing to bet that his situation improved after being with a parent during the day.

      • Red Man

        HI THERE “Uncle Tom”!
        Stickin your nose up the ass of the white man, eh????

        You are freakin disgusting.

        Get your kids away from “conservative communists” LIKE THIS brainwashed “Uncle Tom”..

        HOME SCHOOL THEM!!!!!!!!!

      • Lazarus Long

        In the late 60’s I was an abused child at home by a Father that was himself an abused child in his youth. It was so bad for him that he left home and joined the Air Force at 16, in ’47 that was possible to do because the ability to verify was less of a possibility. I was also able to extricate myself by using the courts system. My Mother was also an abused spouse so she not only didn’t have an answer but didn’t even know the extent of abuse.

        In the midst of this horror of a childhood we moved to the suburbs of Dallas, from an inner city school. At the time I had just entered Junior High and it was when in the middle of fall that the blacks came to the white schools. I had gotten onto the basketball team and I wasn’t very good at it. The blacks not liking to have to carry me on the team tried to make me quit and I just fought back and refused to leave of my own accord. I had this unreasonable idea that the coach was supposed to teach me how to overcome my deficit. When the blacks threatened to walk out if I didn’t leave he came to me and revealed the problem, but as an abused child I expected him to back me up and he did the opposite and put me off the team.

        Because of integration we moved to Mesquite a white suburb. When I was enrolling the Principle saw my size at 6’4” and 250 pounds at 12 thought I would be a good applicant to his football team, and told me so. I reacted negatively, and told him no. He failed on many occasions to see the signs of child abuse in a child before his eyes. He and my Father had the same philosophic disease, which was they saw my size and imputed adulthood. I blame the Principle, George Childress to this day because he was an education professional and he not only failed to see the evidence of abuse but added his own. He was angry in the time of hippy rebellion at me for refusing his command to play football, and he acted out that anger for 3 years. He gave me licks nearly every day for any act he could find. Yes I acted out as any child abuse victim does and as time went on that acting out became more severe. The final straw happened one day when I was on the periphery of the school grounds smoking a cigarette and was seen by a coach. The coach knowing that He couldn’t catch me he sent the football team out to get me and they beat me for him. When we were all brought in for licks I refused to comply. My Father was called and I still refused to submit so I was expelled.

        I made sure that no one every hit my children even me. To me the abuse stopped with me. My ex-wife’s husband began to abuse my son and it was hidden from me because she knew I would have killed him. The state removed my children and even the state hid the issue from me because they believed I would have become violent and it took me 6 years to get my children away from my ex-in-Laws. My Son is 31 years old and I still want to go kill that man, only now it is my children stopping me from action.

      • jim

        I don’t believe you because you misspelled a word also.

      • Squonk32

        I should have noted that this was typed from my iPhone, which would explain the typos. To the comment of me being an “Uncle Tom” Mr. Red Man, you need to wake up brother and consider having some basis for political discussion instead of childish “name calling”. Perhaps if you listen to rational philosophies on economic and social issues, you’d see that there are compelling cases to be made for various political views. To simply dismiss views contrary to your own through “name calling” gives evidence to your ability to engage in intelligent discussion and cheapens the opinions of those here for serious dialog.
        As stated before, I am a 20 year veteran of a major police department in the DFW area and spent several years as a school officer. I have also wished that the police were not needed in Texas schools, however, we live in the real world and not the Utopian world in which several of you have assumed was the case. I have witnessed the over-use or police officers in the school environment and also principals who deal skillfully with unruly students. Though there are exceptions to the rule, the predominant problem in our schools is the parents. There’s a saying “The apple don’t fall far from the tree.” In most in-depth investigations of student misconduct, we often found that the parent was not in control of their child in most cases, and in others the parent was in denial, though all of the signs were there. As parents, we all want to believe the best in our own kids. We want to dismiss those “signs” as insignificant. But, when these signs are ignored and not addresses or confronted, the end is inevitable. Officers are having to issue too many ticketed because we have a legal system that sustains itself by lawsuits; lawsuits if anyone spanks my child and lawsuits for not protecting my child through school and legal action. When spanking waned, lawsuits waxed, and school violence increased this left the principals in a position of having to use the police to carry out some of the discipline within their schools. To the notion of suspension as a form of punishment, some of the students welcome this as an opportunity to burglarize your home and the police are powerless to arrest or stop a kid that has been suspended which is contrary to popular belief. Again, I am a police officer and I did work in the school system for 12 years. I speak from a position of knowledge about the legal system and school discipline and experience. Though I feel that this ticketing is sometimes excessive, until there is a revamping of school discipline, it is a necessary evil.

    • Chris R

      Rick, judging by the spelling and grammar of your comment, you should not be permitted to home school. Public schools are pathetic, but in your case, I think your kid is better off in public school.

      As far as this article, unless students are violating laws they can’t be given tickets. Last I knew, there is no law making i.e. disrupting class illegal.

      Parents need to flood the court system by disputing these tickets since 1) there is no legal basis and 2) even if there is a law that was violated to were a ticket in theory is valid, you can argue that a six year old my not have theory of mind to fully understand the infraction supposedly committed and it’s consequences.

      • jackrorabbit

        When writing quickly on an internet blog, it is poor etiquette to assume that his grammar and spelling is indicative of his ability to teach. There are thousands of tools from which the home schooling parent can use to help them in that area. I am a home schooling father, and my spelling is less than desirable. So I use books to help with the teaching, and my daughter knows how to find and use a dictionary for spelling words(she is only 7).
        Teaching is an ability that transcends one or two pieces of the spectrum of learning. Especially seeing your spelling errors and grammar errors as well.
        When one goes pointing fingers there are usually three pointing back at themselves.
        For example: Last I knew, there is no law. Grammatically incorrect. The verbs should be in either present or past tense, not both. So it should be Last I know of, there is no law…
        And 2) even if there is a law that was violated to were a ticket
        I can only assume you meant: even if there is a law that was violated to warrant(spelling error) a ticket in theory, is valid(separate thought with is opinion thus needs to be set aside from the main sentence), you can aruge that a six year old might (spelling error for my) not have (either a or the) theory(not sure that this is the proper word, I would use awareness) to fully understand the infraction… and its (not it’s that is only for it is).

      • Jim S.

        Chris R – I assume you meant “where a ticket in theory is valid”. Were does not fit in that sentence. Minor mistake, but if I were writing the message you were writing, I would check the spelling. Those living in glass houses should not throw stones.

      • Paul

        Public schools are pathetic? I guess that means you went to a private school, so that makes you better! Yeah, right.

    • Nick

      If they are giving tickets then they have to mirandize him.

      • drksdmo

        Nick–>You are wrong. As a retired police officer and currently a college instructor you need to only read the miranda warning “when you are asking guilt seeking questions.” I can see you speed, steal, commit any crime, or have someone file a complaint against you and I dont have to read miranda to you.

        I can interview you and tell you “I would like to ask you some question and you are not under arrest and are free to go.” When you tell me your side of the story and tell me you did do the crime, I can use the statement against you.

        Early intervention into children misbehavior / crimes results in less children progressing into the juvenile justice system. Meaning they willl be less likely to become a problem / criminal. Please do the research and you will see this is correct.

      • Maxwell

        You only need to Mirandize someone if you are asking them questions pertaining to their guilt AND they are in the custody of law enforcement. That doesn’t mean arrested, it could be detained, or even just cornered by a bunch of cops to where the suspect feels they can’t leave. Legally, it is called custodian interrogation.

  • SDP

    Simply bring back corporal punishment like we had it 20 years ago and before. I guarantee you would see a difference in a student’s attitude and grades. Last but not least, it is the parents that do not give a darn about their children or physically harm them themselves that always stand against it. Wake up ignorant individuals! Corporal punishment by another individual is much more affective than a mommy or a daddy spanking their own!

    • Dave from Muenster

      You are an ignoramus SDP. I was MUCH more afraid of my father beating my butt than getting “paddled” in school..of course that was BEFORE parents got hauled into court for child abuse for spanking their kids. NONE of my friends wanted a note home so we got our “licks” in the boys room or before the entire class if we were disruptive. This is a many faceted issue with the problems lying at the feet of government interference. I think tickets are not a bad idea if not abused.

    • Nuisance

      This is just an example of the government training good little citizens by always reminding them of the power of government.

  • Rick Davis

    PS: Sorry I messed up the date. Our story (above) was only 4-5yrs ago.
    Hey…I’m OLD!!! lol.
    I believe in corpral punishment, btw dished out in LOVE not anger. ALWAYS explain why a spanking is called for and applied AFTER “the mad”.
    School officials need to be REQUIRED to call parents PRIOR to police in MOST instances, IMO.

    • beegee

      BINGO! We use corporal punishment along with a reward system. In fact, I spanked my son last night for getting sent to the principles office for the umpteenth time. I did not do it showing Anger but remained calm. After a brief 10 minute time out we had a conversation which ended in hugging, kissing and saying “I love you”.

      • joe

        beegee you are sick. seek counseling. you are a terrible parent.

      • Scott Batten

        Bee gee, don’t listen to Joe. Sometimes a swat on the rear, not a beating is far more effective than a “time out”. Just as prison time is warranted for most infractions, when it ceases to work you end up with either a con for life, or a death sentence. Better to give a bop on the butt to teach and correct than allow the behavior to go unmodified if the past multiple time outs don’t work.

      • joe

        If you hit your children you make a statement about yourself. Only weak men hit children. There is no good excuse to beat on a little kid. You people know this deep down somewhere–and that is why you are so adamant about defending your reprehensible behavior. Your children will not forget that you hit them when they were too small to defend themselves. Shame on you.

      • Rob

        Hey Joe, I suppose you also think that Obama is doing a great job making life sooo much better for our children and their children too huh??? If you were in any position being around kids these days you would see a generation of kids who are abusive, vindictive and totally disrespectful towards authority. Do ya think that happened as a natural progression??? No!!! It happened because kids need direction! Kids need parameters!!! Kids need to be held accountable when they stray from those parameters which is where discipline comes in. Discipline “CAN” be discussion or counselling. But for some, discipline only works via physical discomfort….(NOT ABUSE). I thank GOD that I had a parent figure who spanked me when I needed it and to this day (half a century later) still show respect to people younger and older. Society has started down a swirling toilet bowl in making people think they can’t raise their kids with respect.

      • joe

        Adults hit children because they CAN. Because if you hit anyone else they would retaliate–either by hitting you back or having you arrested. I am sure you get just as frustrated when dealing with other people in your lives as you do with your children. You don’t hit other adults because it’s ILLEGAL. And you don’t hit other people’s kids because that’s illegal too! You are forced by the rules of society to find a way to get along with other adults and other peoples’ children. You hit your own children because it’s the easy way out. Nothing forces you to respect your children. Take the time to be a good example to your kids. Take a parenting class, get some anger management counseling, get some sleep.

      • Maxwell

        Joe obviously has no children

        Nor all kids respond to “time outs”. Some kids are quite content alone in a corner with their imagination. With those kids, a time out accomplishes nothing but giving them some enjoyable alone time.

        You have to know your kid. Some kids respond well to time outs, some respond well to spankings, but there is not a single way to raise your kid that is right for everyone.

      • OldyMcOldson

        I despair that people like Joe are in charge of the education of my children. I lament the “philosophy” of his ilk has become persuasive in our society and hastened its decay.

      • joe

        when you conflate violence with love you program your daughters to accept abuse, and you sentence your sons to believe that violence is ALWAYS a good way to solves problems. it’s sick.

  • DJ

    Age of accountability is important in this. Students reaching 11 years of age may receive tickets in their name for things allowed by law. If students were away from school and entered into a fight or decided to assault someone, police would make an arrest. Why would it be different at school? Students and adults need to know there are consequences for making wrong choices. Life is not at whelm.

    • Craig

      It is sad that two 13 year old kids throwing down would be arrested ANYWHERE (assuming, knives, hammers, or guns were not involved in the fight.)

      There is no common sense anywhere these days.

      • Craig

        And mind you, if one (or both) of the kids is a bully and is continuously fighting and parental contact has failed to change this behavior, then by all means, make an official arrest.

        What the hell are we trying to do…see how many criminals we can manufacture?

  • MJ

    This has nothing to do with discipline or control of students. Normal disciplinary actions (detention, suspension, etc.) takes care of this. This is about bringing more revenue into the local government’s coffers. Will principals now have the same type of unofficial quotas as traffic cops where performance is not judged on how well the students are doing but how much money you have brought in via civil misdemeanor tickets over the past semester?

    • Bob W

      We’re on a slippery slope. Police state tactics are on the rise and our kids are being conditioned to accept such unnecessary intrusions as a normal part of life in the new version of America.

    • A

      I agree, giving a ticket to a 6 year old does not teach him anything. The money isn’t coming out of his pocket. Not to mention it seem like an excessive step in the name of disciplining a young child, and a huge waist of law enforcement time and money. It is the job of the teacher to appropriately handle misbehaving children, not the police.

      • rusty

        re: “The money isn’t coming out of his pocket”

        I think the point of this is to get the parent to discipline their child. Some parents only get the message if it costs them in time and money.

        re: “It is the job of the teacher to appropriately handle misbehaving children, not the police”.

        This only works if teachers are given the authority to actually discipline their students. Most students want to learn and to get along with their teachers – however, there are always several in the class that do not give a rip about the teacher, their class, their self-respect, nor anything else. They know that you cannot touch them, you cannot permanently remove them from the class without going through weeks, if not months of “testin”, paperwork and followthrough – in the meantime the kid stays in the class and constantly disrupts everyone else’s kids’ education.

        Many kids today have absolutely no respect for you and will say anything and everything to you – daring you to do something about it. Finally, after all the legal steps have been taken – often the parent withdraws the kid and merely puts them into some other unsuspecting school and process repeats itself.

        Tickets to 6 year olds? If it works and it saves that kid from bigger and greater problems down the road, then I don’t see the problem. 4000 tickest over five years in a major metropolitan school district? That only comes to 800 tickets per year out of 160 elementary schools – which comes to 5 tickets per school.

      • joe

        I think it teaches him not to be respectful of the law. Possibly, a behavior that is egregious enough to deserve a ticket will be equated with other childhood “crimes” like getting gum in his hair, or missing the bus………. We reserve adult punishment for adults because most adults are mature enough to understand the difference between thoughtless/stupid behavior and criminal behavior.

      • Sharon

        I am glad that my grandchildren do not live in Dallas. We all moved to Collin County and find it a much more civilized place to be. This is just outrageous.

  • john smith

    Try to investigate this . Our children are at stake. Bet the state gets very upset with you.
    A Marxist State already exisyts here

  • Bill M

    Agreed John. Ricochet, you may have some experience, but your analysis is way off the mark. I don’t think tickets is the answer either, but we’re not talking about kids who “misbehave.” We’re talking about kids who are violent and/or don’t allow the class to function. These problems stem from the home, not the school or the “childish” teachers as you say. They think it’s the school’s job to raise their children. They are often divorced, lazy, self-centered and immature. The responsibility begins and ends with the family and God help the educators who have to struggle with their lack of responsibility. Discipline, love, time….give a child those 3 things at home and they won’t be receiving misdemeanors at school. I guarantee you that.

    • Jesse

      Hmm… So tell me again why traditional discipline does not work for children disrupting class?? I think the problem is the teachers here. When I was in school, (and I’m only 30), we were afraid of the teachers. Teachers now spend too much time trying to be friends with the students, and this in itself causes the class to lose structure and control. Treat them like this and they will act like they do around friends… Take things away… Recess, eat lunch in the classroom, field trips, etc. I’m sure things will turn around pretty quick. Blaming parents for the schools cowardice is quite frankly a pathetic excuse for lousy structure such as lack of discipline lack of proper help in class, etc. But once again, people here are quick to place blame before knowing the whole situation.

      • Rob

        Traditional discipline does not work because school districts have basically outlawed any of their employees from putting a hand on an out of control student. (law suit related) Instead most schools have gone to having police officers in their employment or contracted to deal with those issues that teachers/administrators dealt with in the distant past. The time it takes when a kid is rebelling to get the kid removed from the class so teaching can continue can vary between 3 minutes to 30 minutes (depending on how defiant the kid chooses to be). In a lot of those cases, it does fall on the parents who have failed to teach their kids to be respectful towards authority and those same parents want to blame schools, other kids …..or even law enforcement for the problems their kids are causing!

      • rusty

        re: “Take things away… Recess, eat lunch in the classroom, field trips, etc. I’m sure things will turn around pretty quick.”

        I agree that these things would help, but it is against the law in most school districts to restrict kids from all of the things you mentioned above – it is lawsuits by parents against school districts for practicing the very things you suggest that intimidate principals and school districts into allowing disruptive kids do whatever they want. If you merely grab a kid by the arm – you can be in jail that night – I’m not kidding you. It takes parents who want their kids to learn to give a strong, clear message to state and local judges that they want schools and teachers to be allowed the authority to remove consistently disruptive students from classrooms. That authority includes giving teachers the power to withhold things like recess, field trips, etc. Right now, many, many states do not allow teachers and principals to have that authority.

  • mike

    Are we sure this isn’t being done as a fund-raiser? $500 max per ticket and 1200 tickets is a nice piece of change. As much as $600,000.

    • DRF

      … municipalities are looking for any revenue stream they can find.

  • Some Guy

    You may know Texas Appleseed by its prior name of ACORN. The ACORN groups were so ashamed of their criminal activity in the past they changed their names.

  • Rose

    We have to rely on the veracity and professionalism of the teachers for this to work, and I have no faith in either.

    My son is 10. Last month he was walking with a friend to band class. His friend was wearing a sleevless shirt, and put his armpit in my son’s face. My son told him to stop, and said the boy had stinky pits. These are verified facts.

    My son was chastised for bullying, and threatened with in-school suspension. When I spoke with the teacher, he assured me there would be no in-school suspension, it was simply a threat to make my son think about what he had done.

    The next time my son was in school (after some snow days), the class had a special 1 hour recess, which my son had to sit out because of that incident. The teacher flat-out lied to me, as sitting out recess is in-school suspension. The other boy was treated as a victim, and suffered no punishment.

    When you have a system that involves punishment, it is the child’s word against the teacher’s, and the teachers who are assumed to be telling the truth. With liars in those positions, the kids and families will be punished unfairly.

    • SGB

      “Bully” is the favorite word of late. My grandson has been called down for being a “bully” if he touches another child–not hits, touches” The child tells the Mom he has been “bullied” and the mom calls the principal who then calls my daughter who asks for teacher witnesses. There are usually not any. We sometimes think the children are trying to get him in trouble. There needs to be some education about what constitutes “bullying” for both parents and students.

  • jabusse

    I’m bet the poor underprivleged minority kids will have their fines paid by a special welfare check.

  • skippy777

    the parents and the kids should be giving tickets to the stupid teachers and administrators….the standard government school teacher is a card carrying marxist.

  • steven clark

    WOW, they legal system is now collecting money from school kids! Americas Al-Qaeda is getting richer and more powerful while the rest of us are struggling to hold onto what little liberties and freedom we can.

  • Grover

    Wow just read this article and I, a teacher, would love to have this in Florida. I was in a class 2 years ago where the 5 students throughout the year; destroyed my room, tried to stab other students, bit the principal, called my name all day long, knock over filing cabinet, through pencils and globes at other students, and tried to jump out of a second story window because I dared to change their behavior chart color. This was 2nd grade. Three of these students were Baker Acted and taken away in handcuffs. No help came parents or admin, but I had no classroom management. Gee how is this MY problem when meds are not given and the parents were and still act like children themselves. I felt bad for the rest of the students who had to endure this kind of treatment. I guess being a white woman in an all black hood school doesn’t help huh. I was let go because of this. My colleagues were shocked by this, but what could they do, they had their jobs to look after.

    • BRIAN

      Wait a tic…you’re a teacher?
      Let’s see… they “through” a pencil? “knock” over filing cabinet?
      How about THREW the pencil and KNOCKED over the filing cabinet?
      The rest of your post was almost unintelligible due to poor syntax and sentence structure.
      Maybe you were let go becuase YOU ARE A MORON!!

      • sean patriot

        Capitalizations are only supposed to appear in the first letter of the first word and all nouns after that, Mr. grammar nazi.

      • Rowwdy

        You are petty Brian. Btw: What is “wait a TIC”?

    • Grover

      Yes I am sorry that I did not go over my paragraph and edit my mistakes. How sad that you have to fall into name calling.

      • Rose

        It’s sad Brian called you a moron; otherwise I agree with his statement. Every time my son brings papers home from school I am reminded how poorly educated the teachers are. I don’t mean sometimes, I mean every time – from teachers and principals.

        He brings home papers addressed to parents, which refer to “your child.” So far, so good. Then every single time, apparently in an effort not to overuse the phrase, the child is referred to as “they” or “them”. It appears that these so-called educators do not know that, if a person’s gender is unknown, the English language defaults to the masculine pronoun. If trying to be politically correct, it will default to the feminine, but never does it default to the plural form. Never.

      • db

        Even your response has errors. You are a moron.

    • lark

      Best thing is to form a not for profit business (association) to deal with those kids who are referred to the legal system by the schools. You could make a hefty salary. Bill Gates would donate millions and you could get government grants.

    • Don

      From reading your post, I’m glad you were fired. One does not “through” pencils; they throw pencils. Your grammar is also atrocious. You should never have been allowed in the classroom at all. You obviously lacked totally in classroom management skills as well. I agree, however, that students have gotten more and more disruptive. Court ordered fines for parents might make them more receptive to accepting responsibility for civilizing their children.

      • Grover

        Oviously you never worked in a “hood” school. Black teachers didn’t like it there. They told me they were teachers, not disciplinarians. There were kids there that had their Parole Officers come visit once a week. By the way what makes everyone who is not a teacher think teachers should be the super disciplinarians in classrooms, why do teachers have to work that hard? Where is the support for the rest of the students who do listen and respect the teacher. Teachers work hard enough making sure students get the work done that is in their curriculum, work that is mandated by the district level,state level, federal level, they listen to kids problems, and hope that their students hit all the reading and math levels, Once you put all the behavior drama from these kids in the mix, really teachers don’t get paid enough for what they have to do. Please don’t go boo hoo either to me. Teachers want to make a difference in the education of peoples lives. Teachers are not perfect people, we are suppose to train students to learn the basics of reading and math, then it is up to the students as they become adults to know what to do with those basics in society. If students can’t get that in a calm and safe enviroment, then the whole school has failed. Oh I forgot schools are failing in that respect, that’s why we are not number one in the world against other students. The behavior our students get away with in America is what is holding us back, plain and simple.

  • Will

    I am a 59 year old retired Marine. I know the value of discipline. However, I also grew up in an extended familiy of “educators” (they preferred that to the term “teacher”). I saw firsthand over a lifetime how arbitrary, petty and spiteful a large percentage of teachers are. I experienced it with my children. Any perceived threat to an Adminitrator’s power dooms a child to be labeled a trouble maker. On top of that, the feminization of the education system seeks to castrate our youth. There is a definte line between bullying and defending yourself. Sadly, the teachers and nanny state dont want us to stand up or defend ourselves. In their opinion, that is strictly their perogative, arbitrarily applied, as an instrument of the progressive state.

  • Poindel Rechimand

    Tell them to go Fu<k themselves.

    This is the Correct english to use.

  • onlyme

    If the kids are really disruptive and uncontrollable it is the parents fault for not teaching them proper behavior. The parent should get the ticket. And no you don’t have to beat or mistreat a child to raise them decently, you just have to be a parent and spend some time with them and at least pretend that you are interested in them and love them.

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  • JohnF

    First, I also have no problems with the school’s issuing tickets for repeat offenders.

    As to Abby Amadore comment, it is NOT the schools job to teach morals or good behavior to kids, and it is NOT their job to diagnose any problems. That is the job of the PARENTS.

    It’s people like you that are causing these types of problems, abdicating your parental responsibilities to the state. You make me sick, grow a pair and stop trying to be your kids friend. You can do that when they are 18.

    • tinac

      The ticketing of elementary age students is for the sole purpose to raise funds for the education system. A 6yr old child does not understand the reasoning of a ticket and its legality.

      I am a young mother (24yrs old) my child is now 4yrs old. Its unbelievable to me how many parents in my neighborhood allow their elementary aged children out to play in the streets all day and night with out any supervision. My neighbor ,who is one door down, allows her 5yr old and 7yr old out all day so she can sit on her couch watching soaps on TV. She is the one example of the very many parents I meet who simply do not care where their children are or what they are doing. I have had children ask me why I play with my son when we go outside. Its heart breaking the numbers of children at our play ground who run at us wanting to play with an adult. They are thriving for attention. These are the same children who begin to act out in school, the ones who are in trouble with the law. They need from their parents who wont give.

      My point is simply this, our school system is broken. Not all teachers are bad and we cant keep pointing fingers for the many reasons why we keep failing. People need to stand up and take some action. Parents need to parent their children, teachers need to not play nice and have more control over their class rooms and communities need to gather together to tackle this problem.

      I have attending public school in Florida, I have seen teacher being threatened by students as early as the 6th grade. I have personally threatened a teacher once in the 8th grade and was given a Saturday work detail (something they no longer do since thats considered too harsh). I learned my lesson and never spoke poorly to my teachers again. Once in high school I witnessed my Spanish teacher being punched in her face by another student. Her only line of defense was calling the dean who then took a total of 6min to get to our class room which was only a few walks away. The student was suspended for 4 days. She was fired. She was a great teacher who didn’t deserve to be treated so poorly by her students. It took her 20minutes everyday to get our class quiet so she could begin our lessons. Teachers need to be allowed to gain control of the class rooms. Students (like that boy) need to expelled from schools. My high school is now a charter school and they kick students out for bad behavior. Kids need to understand school is a privilege not a right. That same kid is now in jail for the next 5yrs for battery, grand theft, and other drug related things.

      I came from an abusive home, my brothers and I are products of our environment. I have made a personal choice not to hit my child as I know first hand that doesn’t work. My mothers spankings and alcoholic rages did only two things for me, made me destructive and disrespectful as a child. As adults we need to make the change and start acting like adults.

  • lark

    Referring disruptive children to the legal system wouldn’t be entirely bad. It could have redeeming qualities. Unfortunately judges work for the government. A good strong legal system is the answer for a probable better future. Too bad the government is into education. Today the government is the one we need to fear most. They own us now. We belong to them. Almost every country in the world is freer than we are. In the future these kids will be afterward referred to mental health system chains and their future will be directed by government officials.

  • curious

    where does the money go?

  • Robert Cowger

    I have taught high school to elementary school, and pre k for some 14 years total after retiring from the fed govt with 25 years service.
    I have taught in the world’s worst schools, and in the best.
    I love teaching small children, they are fun to teach. High schoolers have to be carefully disciplined and I always was in charge of the class. A teacher of worth must know how to handle discipline problems. I found I could not trust the administration in nearly all of the schools in which I taught. There is the problem.

    • David

      Thank you Robert Cowger for caring about the students first! I knew there must be some teachers that understood their important position on forming children’s lives.

  • JoBeth

    OMG! Good thing I’m not in elementary school. They would put me in prison for chasing down my boyfriend during recess and planting a big kiss on his forehead.

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