Schools Giving Tickets, Not Detention Slips, Report Says

DALLAS (CBSDFW.COM) – Court has become a deterrent instead of detention for some North Texas students.

The social and economic group Texas Appleseed collected five years worth of data from 22 districts across the state and found young students, including a six year old in Dallas, who received class C misdemeanor tickets for things like disrupting class, leaving school early and school yard brawls that didn’t include weapons.

“Dallas ISD was one of the districts that had a very large number of elementary school students that were issued class C misdemeanors,” said Deborah Fowler, of Texas Appleseed.

Over the course of five years, more than 1200 elementary students in DISD received a ticket.

O.M. Roberts Elementary parent found Abby Amadore found that alarming.  “It’s the (school district’s) job to help us as parents to help them determine what’s right from wrong. I don’t think it’s correct to give them a ticket at six years old,” said Amadore.

In 2006-2007, over 4,000 DISD students received tickets but one parents said depending on the student’s age it may not be a bad way to curtail persistent misbehavior.

“It just depends the age and what the student did,” said DISD parent Claudia Diaz.

Data shows the tickets can cost a family as much as $500.

DISD issued a statement on the report, saying  “The district’s number one priority is safety and the learning environment should never be compromised. The vast majority of our students are not disruptive. Those who do receive tickets are hopefully learning that their actions have consequences.”

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Comments

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  1. Mark Orr says:

    If parents would do there job and spank there kids and let teachers spank the kids; a judge would not have to be involved! Is it any wonder homes schooling is so popular? School systems should force these trouble makeing kids and parents who do not believe in coporal punishment to homeschool!!!!!!

    1. Ricochet says:

      It is legal for a teacher to spank your kids in Texas and there is nothing you can do about it unless you want to change the law.
      Here it is from the Texas penal code.

      § 9.62. EDUCATOR-STUDENT. The use of force, but not
      deadly force, against a person is justified:
      (1) if the actor is entrusted with the care,
      supervision, or administration of the person for a special purpose;
      and
      (2) when and to the degree the actor reasonably
      believes the force is necessary to further the special purpose or to
      maintain discipline in a group.

      Acts 1973, 63rd Leg., p. 883, ch. 399, § 1, eff. Jan. 1, 1974.
      Amended by Acts 1993, 73rd Leg., ch. 900, § 1.01, eff. Sept. 1,
      1994.

      1. TomB says:

        Im pretty sure that was Mr Orr’s point, Ricochet. Change the law and let them do it again.

      2. Bob says:

        yep, great addendum… wish we had it here in FL. Spare the rod, spoil the child. Plain and simple. True then, true now.

      3. d says:

        It is legal for spanking, but only if the school has received WRITTEN permission from the parents- if your child is spanked and you have not signed a form stating that is your preferred method of punishment- sue the school-that is considered abuse.

      4. d says:

        Suspend them-don’t ticket them.

        The schools ticket instead of suspend because they do not want to lose their daily head count dollar for the child.
        Instead, the child is allowed to continue in the classroom putting the rest of the children in danger-
        School administration ONLY cares about the dollar, not the safety of our children.

      5. Ron says:

        The problem is that, in most cases, it is the parents who need to be spanked. Hitting them in the pocket with a fine will not solve the problem, but it may help!

      6. T says:

        Dig a little deeper, Bob. That’s NOT what “spare the rod, spoil the child” means. Use your brain for a change people, not your hand.

      7. Audra home school mom says:

        I never done hear tell ’bout no coperal punishment. Is it worse than corporal? Actually, it is more than proper to strive for correct spelling and grammar if one wants one’s point to be taken seriously. These things used to be taught in public school.

      8. Grizzlyman says:

        All I can think of after reading this article is Home School. Take away their daily payment for your children and give them a better education as well.

    2. reefer01 says:

      With all due respect, Pilot, you should learn when to use the word “as”.

    3. Mac says:

      With all due respect, reefer, he used the word “as” correctly.
      Roll another one and contemplate definition #8:

      http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/as

      1. reefer01 says:

        Mac – You have assumed that “reefer01” refers to marijuana. Not so! Case closed. I appreciate the humor though. Now. – Both “because” and “since” can be used to mean “for the reason that.” You want to be careful, though, that “since” can’t be misinterpreted with its “temporal” meaning (“since this morning”). In other words, if there’s a chance that “since” can be misunderstood, use “because.” The same is true of “as”: don’t use it to mean “because” where there is any chance it could be misunderstood in the temporal sense (“while”). Using “as” instead of “because” is apt to sound rather fussy and stilted anyway.

        Authority: New York Public Library Writer’s Guide to Style and Usage HarperCollins: New York. 1994. p. 40. Cited with permission.

        In the case of Pilot’s response to Mark, the word “as” could mean Mark should be using a spell checker WHILE he is not writing English. I didn’t say Pilot was necessarily WRONG…but that he might consider another word besides “as”. Thanks for the discourse.

    4. RufusVonDufus says:

      It is apparent that idiots thrive on these sites by simply reading the above two posts.

    5. David says:

      You mispelled “argument”, genius.

    6. MDR says:

      hahaha, porper spooling, right guys?

    7. zeroid says:

      Give him a misdemeanor ticket for his mispelling

    8. T says:

      How many teeth do you have, Mark? Grow up and start using what researchers know about child development. Maybe that’s what missing here…people are doing the same things over and over again all the while expecting different results. Pick up a few books here and there and wise up some! Hitting NEVER solves a darn thing…

      1. T'd off says:

        Really? Look around you, the evidence is contrary to your statement. All those lofty suggestions from ‘expert’ researchers that we have embraced for the past 5 decades have failed miserably. Our society is full of materialistic narcissists who lack moral character. Like you, T…someone who blindly equates a misfortune in dental health with a lack of intelligence. Lowly traditional parenting techniques were doing a much better job of raising kids before the experts came along.

      2. Rog says:

        that sounds “insane” hehe

      3. SkyRoller says:

        Just ticket them, like the article says,

      4. HENRY D says:

        JUST SHOWS HOW MUCH YOU KNOW ABOUT IT, SPANKINGS HAVE MADE MANY A GREAT PERSON, OUT OF A SNOTTY NOSED KID THAT NEEDED A LITTLE STRAIGHTENING OUT.

      5. Mr. Spooge says:

        Everyone I’ve ever hit would disagree with you.

      6. Charles Diaz says:

        AS a matter of fact, I was paddled on three different occasions in my twelve years of public school attendance. It got my attention every single time and caused me to straighten up and fly right. It left no emotional scars and no resentment. I knew I did wrong and learned I would be held accountable when I did wrong. It works.

    9. davo says:

      btw, it’s “misspelled” and “misspelling”

    10. Will says:

      My teachers did try putting their hands on me…even in the 6th grade I knew better than to let anyone put there hand on me….so when someone hit me…I hit them back! I was tormented from the moment I left a Cathloic school where I was at lest 2 grades ahead of everyone I was stuck with….the public school kids. Mostly were ill managed and every class I ever had had some wise ass mouthing off distrupting my day. Public school did a great job of killing my sprit….I just could never conform to sucking up to the teachers who were basicly idots with a teaching job!

      1. SkyRoller says:

        “…basicly idots..” should be “…basically idiots”

    11. hank says:

      First spank the parents for not letting the teachers spanki the children, then spank the children.

      1. SkyRoller says:

        “…spanki…” should be “…spank…”

    12. Dan12344 says:

      The quotation mark goes outside the period.

      “home schooling.”

    13. john b says:

      Since when is it legal for a school district to write tickets, whats next search warrant on little johnnys bedroom to make sure he is doing his home work.

      1. flpthbrd says:

        They already tried that when school sent home laptops with spycams on them, remember?

    14. Girl Gone Wise says:

      Bahahaha. That was a funny social experiment.

      “…in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measures you use, it will be measured to you. Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay on attention to the plank in your ow eye?”

    15. ron says:

      It’s taken decades of incremental change to arrive at this point. Parents have surrendered their parental rights bit by bit to the state and the state continues to take more and more. The family is undone and we wonder why things are getting worse. We’re getting what we deserve.

    16. SkyRoller says:

      “…ow eye?” should be “… own eye?”

    17. tdjazz says:

      Don’t assume that because a child received a ticket that their parents are not doing their job at home. I do believe in discipline and hold my kids accountable, but my daughter was issued a ticket for an argument with a girl who had been actively persuing & threatening her for weeks. She received this ticket on top of 5 days of ISS when the other young lady pushed her & persued her to argue even after my daughter told her repeatedly that she had nothing to say to her. This argument happened outside the lunchroom during the lunch period, but she was issued a ticket for disruption of class. The argument ended on it’s own without any adult involvement . . . in fact the officer had to call them back to him because they had already started walking away. These tickets are absolutely outrageous, especially when you are dealing with an AP student who has never been in trouble before. Unless these children are breaking actual LAWS, these tickets are absolutely obsurd!!!

    18. Lee says:

      You have a good idea but the parents in most cases are dunber than the kids.

    19. hadassah1582 says:

      In Dallas schools still give corporal punishment

    20. Theresa says:

      Overuse of ticket issuing is rampant. My grandson got a criminal ticket for dispruptive behavior for getting out his chair. According to the School’s own Code of Conduct that is a Level 1 offense, and Level 1 offenses do not result in ticket citation. My guess, this goes on all the time.

  2. John says:

    I saw this report on the news. I have no problem with students receiving tickets. I am a teacher at a school that does not hand out tickets, but I wish we could. Tickets wouldn’t need to be handed out if parents would do their job at home. When a teacher calls the parents at home, the parents do not take care of the problem. So unfortunately, schools have to find some way to handle the problem. Maybe next time the report should focus on what parents are not doing at home and get off of the schools back. Public schools are doing the best they can with the resources given to them.

    1. Ricochet says:

      If it is true that you are in fact a teacher, it is sad that you feel this way. I mean, an educated person that works with people for a living should be a little more tuned in to human nature. It is normal for someone of any age to try to get away with as much as they can. Children will always push their boundaries. And it doesn’t stop there. Adults tend to work more diligently when a supervisor is looking over their shoulder. So maybe the truth of the matter is that these so called ‘misbehaving children’ are well-behaved at home. And when they get to school they aren’t around an adult with whom they sense authority. I am 43 years old and an educated man. I have children in elementary and high school. I have a brother and a sister in law that teach elementary school. I teach continuing education at a local college. I hear experiences all the time. I can tell you for a fact that the teachers today tend to be more childish, for lack of a better word, then they were when I was in school. So maybe it’s time for teachers to grow up and quit pretending like they are “in” school and start acting like they “teach” school.

      1. John says:

        I do “teach”. I am not referring to talking out of turn or testing the waters. I’m referring to students that cause real trouble. I am VERY professional and take offense to being called otherwise by a complete stranger.

      2. Joey says:

        John you said “Tickets wouldn’t need to be handed out if parents would do their job at home. When a teacher calls the parents at home, the parents do not take care of the problem. ”

        John you said “I am VERY professional and take offense to being called otherwise by a complete stranger”

        I am a parent ( and a complete stranger to you ) and I do care for my childrens education, you take offense for being called out on something by a complete stranger, but your comments are lumping all of us concerned parents into the same group as those parents who may not care about their childs education. You offend all of us caring parents! What Hypocrisy you have!!!

      3. Pilot.Dave says:

        Ricochet,
        Get a grip on your liberal mind if at all possible. John understands the problem and could “try” to educate you…. but you seem to be part of the problem.

      4. allinadayswork says:

        Ricochet,
        You might be educated, however you dont have a clue.
        It is also human nature to learn from their mistakes….that includes parents. Letting a parent feel some of society’s pain because they choose not to address their kids’ issues is what the world needs more of Usually these “bad parents” react very well when you hit them in their pocket books. The teachers cant punish the kids, so what incentive do the kids have to stop if mom (or dad if they have one) wont?

      5. fedupwfed says:

        One big problem is the PARENTS will not allow the teachers or the schools to handle the problem. Let the schools fire that rear-end ocassionally and that woud help.

      6. Notsoclueless says:

        Ricochet, you’re clueless. I’m sure you’re the type that deals with rebellious or misbehaving children by negotiating with them aren’t you. You’re right, it is human nature to push boundaries, but you apparently missed the life lesson that says we’re all responsible for our actions and thus have to deal with the consequences thereof. I have a real hard time believing that there exists any non-trivial number of children who are perfect little angels at home and little hellions at school. By and large the kids that consistently misbehave at school aren’t expected to do much better at home.

      7. bill says:

        I have worked at an alternative school for students who have been removed from the normal campus for one reason or another. The tickets are an effort to draw the parents in to help solve the issues, and only done if absolutely necessary. Nobody wants to give a student’s parent a ticket. Persistent uncorrectable misbehavior at school does not typically coincide with angelic behavior at home. There are parents who refuse to “parent,” and perhaps need an incentive to help. The other students should not suffer needlessly because of a misbehaving student. And the reality is, if the situation is not corrected, with the help of the parent hopefully, the student will end up expelled or in juvenile detention.

      8. Ron Jones says:

        Well you’ve had enough faux “righteous indignation” heaped upon you by folks that got the vapours over your comments… So I’ll not pile on.

        However (and this is not an endorsement of any NEA position), you can’t hold teachers solely accountable for the success or failure of their students. It is parents who are, in the long run, who bear the shame, or the credit, for why little Johnny can’t read (or write, or speak properly, or conjugate verbs, or add, or subtract, or engage in basic reasoning…).

        First, eliminate the “compulsory” aspect of public education. Some parents/children will swim to the bottom, regardless. We should not allow them to detract from the learning experience of others.

        Second, if government MUST be involved in education (or retirement, or medical care, etc ad nauseum), and I’m not convinced it needs to be so… make County government the responsible organisation. That way, it is close, and accountable to the taxpayers who pay the bills.

        We’ve seen over the last 100+ years that everything the government touches, turns to fecal waste. Yet there are those who want to give the government ever more power and responsibility.

        It’s cultural suicide.

      9. David says:

        If John were teaching my kid, he’d been needing that Obamacare to have the boot removed from his back side. These teachers are nothing more than social leaches. They complain about money, class size, free time, benefits. They are the problem. When I was a kid, there were 40 kids in my class. I went to college prepared. I knew math, science, and english. Our HS was only 180 strong. If a little school in the middle of nowhere can prep kids for college with 40 per class, why are these liberal leech teachers complaining.

      10. tdjazz says:

        Right on Ricochet . . . ALOT of teachers act worse than the kids and actually do all they can to instigate and cause more problems for the kids. Yes, the school system is out of control – both with the kids and the adults!!!

    2. Rhadagast says:

      Richochet, there’s a huge difference between being educated and having a store of wisdom. You clearly lack the latter. For you to imply that John is childish based on his comments is quite ironic. I might post some comment about about “educated” morons who try to put forth pseudo-intellectual, moralizing bunk, but I don’t have a pressing need to make myself feel superior at the moment. Continuing education indeed…

    3. RufusVonDufus says:

      John,

      You should have concluded your last sentence with the following: and the raw materials with which they must work.

    4. jimboo says:

      I teach technical college courses and I’m telling you that you’re stepping over the line – who the hell are you to impose your views of morality, right and wrong etc. on a small child. I submit that you presented yourself in such a way here, that your politics and arrogant attitude are readily visible. A parent should actually smack a clown like you silly, maybe that would teach YOU to start worrying about the so called 3 R’s and avoid social engineering.

    5. Me says:

      John is obviously a liberal non-parent who hates his job and shouldn’t really be around kids. People without kids tend to think that if they aren’t perfect and don’t act like adults, then something is wrong with the parents. I pray to GOD my kids don’t end up with teachers like you John.

    6. Bryan Holland says:

      John’s comments show just how self-centered teachers are today. They believe the students are there for the teacher’s benefit. Unions use children as shields to get as much money and benefits out of the taxpayers as possible. Maybe if mom and dad didn’t have to each work two jobs to pay your salary, they could afford to spend more time with their children. The article itself shows just how selfish the educational system is. Courts and correctional systems are already overburdened and are extremely inefficient. The school has put away the sword and is electing to use the dull butter knife as its weapon. Why, because it can get more political attention by using the method it chose in this case. The solutions are obvious but all the teachers want is bigger checks so the mafia (union) gets a bigger slice of the pie.

    7. Jonathan says:

      Agree some with Ricochet and John…

      Children shouldn’t get tickets.. that’s just a method of doing something half-right in a broken system. This is one more step towards our society treating children like adults… it must stop. Parents are responsible for their children and that is a underlying cause… most parents won’t correct the issue or allow the school to properly. Agree with John that the schools are generally doing the best they can with the current climate and resources provided.

      The school should have full rights to incorporate mild corporal punishment. The rights of the school to provide proper discipline and even the parents is being taken away by the nanny state. See this wikipedia link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporal_punishment

    8. Dave says:

      And it would seem you are more a part of the problem then the solution

    9. Midrian says:

      I’m sorry but what you are spouting is simply nonsense. Parents are forced to hand over their children to the school system for the majority of their days. Parents are not the biggest influence in their childrens’ lives once they leave the home for school.

      Also, I just can’t bring myself to go along with most of the supposed issues the school has had with my son. The idea that he would get into as much trouble for defending himself against a bully as the bully does is just a crock full of steamies. The run and get the ‘authority’ mentality never allows a child to grow up and learn how to handle themselves in the real world… therefore you end up with adults who will actually call the cops instead of say something directly to you if they don’t like how dirty your truck was and the resulting mud in the gutter when you rinse it off.

      The public school system needs to be put out of its misery. Time to clean the slate and start over.

    10. MassMom says:

      Comments like “…parents doing a better job” is a sad, sad reflection of the mindset of some teachers today. A good number of parents work very hard to raise their chidren right. With good communication and parent/teacher participation children thrive. It’s short-sighted to write off student misbehavior as a sign of bad parenting. “John” sounds like he’s burned out as an educator, and is a little more than resentful of parents and public school funding. Perched on his high-horse, you’d think he’d have a better view of the whole problem which is education reform and investing in schools and programs. Education should not be under-funded. The education field should attract the brightest and most enthusiastic educators. Government and taxpayers should compensate teachers well. Schools should have the right resources. All that said, I’m not sure John is the type of teacher that represents the best and the brightest. Handing out tickets is ridiculous practice, a misuse of law, and of town and city resources.

    11. Irish67 says:

      I dont have any objection to handing out tickets, but I do object to it being the first response. I feel that kids should be disciplined by detention or some more traditional method. If they fail to attend the detention, then escalate it to a ticket to teach them that if they ignore their accountability for their offense then their parents will face a financial penalty. Give them the opportunity to be held accountable on thie own merit before resorting to ticketing, but ultimately these kids need to learn that there are real consequences to their behavior.

    12. Juanita Valdez says:

      I work for a county prosecutor’s office that just lost a case where a student will now be required to have counsel (yes, an attorney) present for preliminary hearings…in other words, meeting in the principal’s office, if the punishment could be suspension…King County Washington (what would you expect from the soviet republic of Seattle?)

    13. Keith says:

      Maybe if the teachers did a little more to actually educate their students then constantly complaining that you’re not paid enough, your benefits stink, or your overworked (yeah all 180 days) then perhaps the students would actually want to attend school and would pose fewer problems.

      1. SkyRoller says:

        “…then constantly complaining… ” , should be “…than constantly complaining…”
        …your overworked … “, should be “…you’re overworked…”

    14. Girl Gone Wise says:

      I have worked with a diverse group of students and their parents. I, too, see there is a great need for parents to be more involved in the lives of their children. It is good that teachers recognize this disconnect; however, the solution to the problem is wrong. Punishing the parent will surely lead to more stress at home and could expand the disconnect between child and parent… child and teacher… child and authority…

      Many moms and dads don’t know how to play their role as parents and lead their children. So, schools could offer parenting workshops. Perhaps give an incentive to complete them, or require parents to take them for a student’s grade, or charge for no participation in the workshops.

      Without question, the relationships between student, teacher and parent need to be strengthened – they need more attention than PTA meetings. Schools could find ways to encourage Parent Groups, to offer support and hold each other accountable. Or the good parents can reach out to others and start this on their own. Schools can require more parent-teacher time.

      There are many ways to go about this, and I’m pleased to see and open dialogue.

      Also, I wonder… Does receiving a misdemeanor ticket at such a young age take away the novelty of tickets as a teenager? As students become older, will the magnitude of caution against breaking law decrease? Will ticketed children grow up to be careless lawbreakers?

    15. Pete says:

      Love it when teachers talk about how the parents need to “Do their jobs at home”. That is a very self serving argument that takes the responsibility for reinforcing what parents do at home – instead excusing the8-9 hours of chaos that public schools offer each day. Do me a favor – Have teachers reinforce the best parts of what I do at home for the 8-9 hours per day that I place my child in the schools care. The chaos that is public education does too much in terms of undoing the values that I teach at home, and they should acknowledge that not shift the blame onto parents.

    16. Lee says:

      John you are correct.

  3. Rick Davis says:

    This happened to us in Ponder in the nineties.
    My son was a good kid. As/Bs on the card then he went to high school. All the sidden, according to the principle/vice principle, he was a gang leader, dope smpker, thief!! Literally!!
    They refused to call me (dad) when problems came up but called the Sheriff instead. Leaving out MANY details, my son wound up in Juvy for school by getting framed…by the Principle.
    All the sudden he(son) came home speaking flent “hood” and knowing an awful lot about the drug culture.
    Long story short, we pulled him from public “school” and opted for home school.
    Some princepals like playing police man, it seems, and RUIN good kids lives!!!

    1. Bill M says:

      A principal framed your son. All of a sudden he knew all about the drug world and spoke like a gang banger….hmmm..it sounds like your son was, in fact, a thug. Facing responsibility and seeing the truth can be very difficult.

      1. DR Ricardo says:

        I agree. This is a typical example of a black dad (thanks for at least being in the home) blaming everyone but himself for his kid’s lack of character. No one fabricated his son’s dilemma…he just refused to acknowledge it until the kid got in trouble. End of story.

      2. RufusVonDufus says:

        Thanks, Bill, for saving me the time.

      3. Midrian says:

        Uh… I think he meant that -after- the stint in juvy the son came back with that taint on him.

      4. Hazeylee says:

        He did mean he changed AFTER Juvy? That’s what I understood.

      5. Ray Clarke says:

        To Bill M. and especially DI Ricardo, spoken like a true non-black dad, at least the kid in question is in the country legally and did not cross the border probably like mr ricardo, if you have never been a black dad, you cant say what’s typical of a black dad, spew your racist hate somewhere else it does not help the national conversation when that’s all you know and all you spew!

      6. Warren Wilson says:

        Bill M is obviously not father to a confident heterosexual adolescent male. If he were, he would know that teh difference between a leader among men and an aggressive criminal is primarily environment. This is why we need to purge principals like Rick Davis and I have personally dealt with, and why armchair pundits of mediocre at best intelligence and limited parental experience like Bill M need to limit their commentary to areas of their espertise.

    2. Squonk32 says:

      DR Ricardo,
      I happen to be a “Black dad”, a 20 year veteran of a local major police department, and a former school officer for 12 of those 20 years as an officer. I do take offense to the supposition that Mr. Davis is black automatically. While I do agree that he is in denial an that his son probably is a thug I have a unique perspective on this issue that no one else here has expressed. I have witnessed this denial in all races and even the deficiencies in spelling and proper grammar. And last, to the “compliment” for Mr. Davis “at least bring in the home”, that was not only insulting but inflamitory. Most black fathers are very positive influences within the lives if their children and the perception otherwise is based upon stereotypes. By the way, I’m a conservative and I voted primarily Republical in the last few elections, just to dispell another possible assumption of yours.

      1. GSH says:

        It’s funny, Squonk32. I just assumed the dad was white. And, yes, he is likely in denial about what his son was up to. But there are school officials who overstep their bounds. For them, it’s the only bit of power they have ever had in their small lives, and they go out of their way to wield it.

        As for the other comment – ANY parent who has the dedication to home school a child is a hero. Talking down to him because he mis-typed a word or two is simply ignorant. Whatever the son had done in school, I would be willing to bet that his situation improved after being with a parent during the day.

      2. Red Man says:

        HI THERE “Uncle Tom”!
        Stickin your nose up the ass of the white man, eh????

        You are freakin disgusting.

        Get your kids away from “conservative communists” LIKE THIS brainwashed “Uncle Tom”..

        HOME SCHOOL THEM!!!!!!!!!

      3. Lazarus Long says:

        In the late 60’s I was an abused child at home by a Father that was himself an abused child in his youth. It was so bad for him that he left home and joined the Air Force at 16, in ’47 that was possible to do because the ability to verify was less of a possibility. I was also able to extricate myself by using the courts system. My Mother was also an abused spouse so she not only didn’t have an answer but didn’t even know the extent of abuse.

        In the midst of this horror of a childhood we moved to the suburbs of Dallas, from an inner city school. At the time I had just entered Junior High and it was when in the middle of fall that the blacks came to the white schools. I had gotten onto the basketball team and I wasn’t very good at it. The blacks not liking to have to carry me on the team tried to make me quit and I just fought back and refused to leave of my own accord. I had this unreasonable idea that the coach was supposed to teach me how to overcome my deficit. When the blacks threatened to walk out if I didn’t leave he came to me and revealed the problem, but as an abused child I expected him to back me up and he did the opposite and put me off the team.

        Because of integration we moved to Mesquite a white suburb. When I was enrolling the Principle saw my size at 6’4” and 250 pounds at 12 thought I would be a good applicant to his football team, and told me so. I reacted negatively, and told him no. He failed on many occasions to see the signs of child abuse in a child before his eyes. He and my Father had the same philosophic disease, which was they saw my size and imputed adulthood. I blame the Principle, George Childress to this day because he was an education professional and he not only failed to see the evidence of abuse but added his own. He was angry in the time of hippy rebellion at me for refusing his command to play football, and he acted out that anger for 3 years. He gave me licks nearly every day for any act he could find. Yes I acted out as any child abuse victim does and as time went on that acting out became more severe. The final straw happened one day when I was on the periphery of the school grounds smoking a cigarette and was seen by a coach. The coach knowing that He couldn’t catch me he sent the football team out to get me and they beat me for him. When we were all brought in for licks I refused to comply. My Father was called and I still refused to submit so I was expelled.

        I made sure that no one every hit my children even me. To me the abuse stopped with me. My ex-wife’s husband began to abuse my son and it was hidden from me because she knew I would have killed him. The state removed my children and even the state hid the issue from me because they believed I would have become violent and it took me 6 years to get my children away from my ex-in-Laws. My Son is 31 years old and I still want to go kill that man, only now it is my children stopping me from action.

      4. jim says:

        I don’t believe you because you misspelled a word also.

      5. Tommy says:

        Hi, grammar nazi here! Noted four mispellings
        in the latter half of your post. Props to your service to the children though..

      6. Squonk32 says:

        I should have noted that this was typed from my iPhone, which would explain the typos. To the comment of me being an “Uncle Tom” Mr. Red Man, you need to wake up brother and consider having some basis for political discussion instead of childish “name calling”. Perhaps if you listen to rational philosophies on economic and social issues, you’d see that there are compelling cases to be made for various political views. To simply dismiss views contrary to your own through “name calling” gives evidence to your ability to engage in intelligent discussion and cheapens the opinions of those here for serious dialog.
        As stated before, I am a 20 year veteran of a major police department in the DFW area and spent several years as a school officer. I have also wished that the police were not needed in Texas schools, however, we live in the real world and not the Utopian world in which several of you have assumed was the case. I have witnessed the over-use or police officers in the school environment and also principals who deal skillfully with unruly students. Though there are exceptions to the rule, the predominant problem in our schools is the parents. There’s a saying “The apple don’t fall far from the tree.” In most in-depth investigations of student misconduct, we often found that the parent was not in control of their child in most cases, and in others the parent was in denial, though all of the signs were there. As parents, we all want to believe the best in our own kids. We want to dismiss those “signs” as insignificant. But, when these signs are ignored and not addresses or confronted, the end is inevitable. Officers are having to issue too many ticketed because we have a legal system that sustains itself by lawsuits; lawsuits if anyone spanks my child and lawsuits for not protecting my child through school and legal action. When spanking waned, lawsuits waxed, and school violence increased this left the principals in a position of having to use the police to carry out some of the discipline within their schools. To the notion of suspension as a form of punishment, some of the students welcome this as an opportunity to burglarize your home and the police are powerless to arrest or stop a kid that has been suspended which is contrary to popular belief. Again, I am a police officer and I did work in the school system for 12 years. I speak from a position of knowledge about the legal system and school discipline and experience. Though I feel that this ticketing is sometimes excessive, until there is a revamping of school discipline, it is a necessary evil.

    3. Chris R says:

      Rick, judging by the spelling and grammar of your comment, you should not be permitted to home school. Public schools are pathetic, but in your case, I think your kid is better off in public school.

      As far as this article, unless students are violating laws they can’t be given tickets. Last I knew, there is no law making i.e. disrupting class illegal.

      Parents need to flood the court system by disputing these tickets since 1) there is no legal basis and 2) even if there is a law that was violated to were a ticket in theory is valid, you can argue that a six year old my not have theory of mind to fully understand the infraction supposedly committed and it’s consequences.

      1. Paul says:

        Public schools are pathetic? I guess that means you went to a private school, so that makes you better! Yeah, right.

      2. Jim S. says:

        Chris R – I assume you meant “where a ticket in theory is valid”. Were does not fit in that sentence. Minor mistake, but if I were writing the message you were writing, I would check the spelling. Those living in glass houses should not throw stones.

      3. jackrorabbit says:

        When writing quickly on an internet blog, it is poor etiquette to assume that his grammar and spelling is indicative of his ability to teach. There are thousands of tools from which the home schooling parent can use to help them in that area. I am a home schooling father, and my spelling is less than desirable. So I use books to help with the teaching, and my daughter knows how to find and use a dictionary for spelling words(she is only 7).
        Teaching is an ability that transcends one or two pieces of the spectrum of learning. Especially seeing your spelling errors and grammar errors as well.
        When one goes pointing fingers there are usually three pointing back at themselves.
        For example: Last I knew, there is no law. Grammatically incorrect. The verbs should be in either present or past tense, not both. So it should be Last I know of, there is no law…
        And 2) even if there is a law that was violated to were a ticket
        I can only assume you meant: even if there is a law that was violated to warrant(spelling error) a ticket in theory, is valid(separate thought with is opinion thus needs to be set aside from the main sentence), you can aruge that a six year old might (spelling error for my) not have (either a or the) theory(not sure that this is the proper word, I would use awareness) to fully understand the infraction… and its (not it’s that is only for it is).

    4. Nick says:

      If they are giving tickets then they have to mirandize him.

      1. drksdmo says:

        Nick–>You are wrong. As a retired police officer and currently a college instructor you need to only read the miranda warning “when you are asking guilt seeking questions.” I can see you speed, steal, commit any crime, or have someone file a complaint against you and I dont have to read miranda to you.

        I can interview you and tell you “I would like to ask you some question and you are not under arrest and are free to go.” When you tell me your side of the story and tell me you did do the crime, I can use the statement against you.

        Early intervention into children misbehavior / crimes results in less children progressing into the juvenile justice system. Meaning they willl be less likely to become a problem / criminal. Please do the research and you will see this is correct.

      2. Maxwell says:

        You only need to Mirandize someone if you are asking them questions pertaining to their guilt AND they are in the custody of law enforcement. That doesn’t mean arrested, it could be detained, or even just cornered by a bunch of cops to where the suspect feels they can’t leave. Legally, it is called custodian interrogation.

    5. Tired of Libs says:

      Where da baby momma at Ricky? I betcha dat momma and you ain’t married which cuses many probs in da black community…

    6. Jessica S, Naples, FL says:

      Rick Davis

      Questions:
      (1) How long was your son in High School before he was accused of becoming a gang leader/dope smuggler?
      (2) When was your first indication/notification there was a problem? Who told you?
      (3) How did you respond to this first indication/notification?
      (4) If your son lived at home (I assume he did), did he ever tell you he was being “framed” or had trouble with the principal?
      (5) Wouldn’t a good kid tell his family immediately if he was “set up”, “framed”, or otherwise treated unfairly when he went to school?
      (6) How did your son get from “Good kid” to “Juvy resident” without your knowledge?
      (7) When did he suddenly turn up speaking “Hood”?

      I went to school a long time ago. I hated school and most of the teachers, and I’d been accused of things I didn’t do numerous times, but I don’t understand how parents could remain unaware of the progression of problems for such a long time period. Schools AND cops STILL must involve parents in any affair which involves the police. No principal can have a student carted off by the police to do whatever they want to the kid WITHOUT NOTIFYING THE PARENTS!

      How did you remain un-notified, unaware of the allegations, until one day you noticed your son was speaking differently around you than he had in the past? You made a smart move to remove your son from the environment where he was getting into trouble, but how could you be cut-off from events for such a long time?

  4. SDP says:

    Simply bring back corporal punishment like we had it 20 years ago and before. I guarantee you would see a difference in a student’s attitude and grades. Last but not least, it is the parents that do not give a darn about their children or physically harm them themselves that always stand against it. Wake up ignorant individuals! Corporal punishment by another individual is much more affective than a mommy or a daddy spanking their own!

    1. Dave from Muenster says:

      You are an ignoramus SDP. I was MUCH more afraid of my father beating my butt than getting “paddled” in school..of course that was BEFORE parents got hauled into court for child abuse for spanking their kids. NONE of my friends wanted a note home so we got our “licks” in the boys room or before the entire class if we were disruptive. This is a many faceted issue with the problems lying at the feet of government interference. I think tickets are not a bad idea if not abused.

    2. Nuisance says:

      This is just an example of the government training good little citizens by always reminding them of the power of government.

  5. Rick Davis says:

    PS: Sorry I messed up the date. Our story (above) was only 4-5yrs ago.
    Hey…I’m OLD!!! lol.
    I believe in corpral punishment, btw dished out in LOVE not anger. ALWAYS explain why a spanking is called for and applied AFTER “the mad”.
    School officials need to be REQUIRED to call parents PRIOR to police in MOST instances, IMO.

    1. beegee says:

      BINGO! We use corporal punishment along with a reward system. In fact, I spanked my son last night for getting sent to the principles office for the umpteenth time. I did not do it showing Anger but remained calm. After a brief 10 minute time out we had a conversation which ended in hugging, kissing and saying “I love you”.

      1. joe says:

        beegee you are sick. seek counseling. you are a terrible parent.

      2. Scott Batten says:

        Bee gee, don’t listen to Joe. Sometimes a swat on the rear, not a beating is far more effective than a “time out”. Just as prison time is warranted for most infractions, when it ceases to work you end up with either a con for life, or a death sentence. Better to give a bop on the butt to teach and correct than allow the behavior to go unmodified if the past multiple time outs don’t work.

      3. joe says:

        If you hit your children you make a statement about yourself. Only weak men hit children. There is no good excuse to beat on a little kid. You people know this deep down somewhere–and that is why you are so adamant about defending your reprehensible behavior. Your children will not forget that you hit them when they were too small to defend themselves. Shame on you.

      4. joe says:

        Adults hit children because they CAN. Because if you hit anyone else they would retaliate–either by hitting you back or having you arrested. I am sure you get just as frustrated when dealing with other people in your lives as you do with your children. You don’t hit other adults because it’s ILLEGAL. And you don’t hit other people’s kids because that’s illegal too! You are forced by the rules of society to find a way to get along with other adults and other peoples’ children. You hit your own children because it’s the easy way out. Nothing forces you to respect your children. Take the time to be a good example to your kids. Take a parenting class, get some anger management counseling, get some sleep.

      5. Rob says:

        Hey Joe, I suppose you also think that Obama is doing a great job making life sooo much better for our children and their children too huh??? If you were in any position being around kids these days you would see a generation of kids who are abusive, vindictive and totally disrespectful towards authority. Do ya think that happened as a natural progression??? No!!! It happened because kids need direction! Kids need parameters!!! Kids need to be held accountable when they stray from those parameters which is where discipline comes in. Discipline “CAN” be discussion or counselling. But for some, discipline only works via physical discomfort….(NOT ABUSE). I thank GOD that I had a parent figure who spanked me when I needed it and to this day (half a century later) still show respect to people younger and older. Society has started down a swirling toilet bowl in making people think they can’t raise their kids with respect.

      6. OldyMcOldson says:

        I despair that people like Joe are in charge of the education of my children. I lament the “philosophy” of his ilk has become persuasive in our society and hastened its decay.

      7. Maxwell says:

        Joe obviously has no children

        Nor all kids respond to “time outs”. Some kids are quite content alone in a corner with their imagination. With those kids, a time out accomplishes nothing but giving them some enjoyable alone time.

        You have to know your kid. Some kids respond well to time outs, some respond well to spankings, but there is not a single way to raise your kid that is right for everyone.

      8. joe says:

        when you conflate violence with love you program your daughters to accept abuse, and you sentence your sons to believe that violence is ALWAYS a good way to solves problems. it’s sick.

  6. DJ says:

    Age of accountability is important in this. Students reaching 11 years of age may receive tickets in their name for things allowed by law. If students were away from school and entered into a fight or decided to assault someone, police would make an arrest. Why would it be different at school? Students and adults need to know there are consequences for making wrong choices. Life is not at whelm.

    1. Craig says:

      It is sad that two 13 year old kids throwing down would be arrested ANYWHERE (assuming, knives, hammers, or guns were not involved in the fight.)

      There is no common sense anywhere these days.

      1. Craig says:

        And mind you, if one (or both) of the kids is a bully and is continuously fighting and parental contact has failed to change this behavior, then by all means, make an official arrest.

        What the hell are we trying to do…see how many criminals we can manufacture?

  7. MJ says:

    This has nothing to do with discipline or control of students. Normal disciplinary actions (detention, suspension, etc.) takes care of this. This is about bringing more revenue into the local government’s coffers. Will principals now have the same type of unofficial quotas as traffic cops where performance is not judged on how well the students are doing but how much money you have brought in via civil misdemeanor tickets over the past semester?

    1. Bob W says:

      We’re on a slippery slope. Police state tactics are on the rise and our kids are being conditioned to accept such unnecessary intrusions as a normal part of life in the new version of America.

    2. A says:

      I agree, giving a ticket to a 6 year old does not teach him anything. The money isn’t coming out of his pocket. Not to mention it seem like an excessive step in the name of disciplining a young child, and a huge waist of law enforcement time and money. It is the job of the teacher to appropriately handle misbehaving children, not the police.

      1. Sharon says:

        I am glad that my grandchildren do not live in Dallas. We all moved to Collin County and find it a much more civilized place to be. This is just outrageous.

      2. rusty says:

        re: “The money isn’t coming out of his pocket”

        I think the point of this is to get the parent to discipline their child. Some parents only get the message if it costs them in time and money.

        re: “It is the job of the teacher to appropriately handle misbehaving children, not the police”.

        This only works if teachers are given the authority to actually discipline their students. Most students want to learn and to get along with their teachers – however, there are always several in the class that do not give a rip about the teacher, their class, their self-respect, nor anything else. They know that you cannot touch them, you cannot permanently remove them from the class without going through weeks, if not months of “testin”, paperwork and followthrough – in the meantime the kid stays in the class and constantly disrupts everyone else’s kids’ education.

        Many kids today have absolutely no respect for you and will say anything and everything to you – daring you to do something about it. Finally, after all the legal steps have been taken – often the parent withdraws the kid and merely puts them into some other unsuspecting school and process repeats itself.

        Tickets to 6 year olds? If it works and it saves that kid from bigger and greater problems down the road, then I don’t see the problem. 4000 tickest over five years in a major metropolitan school district? That only comes to 800 tickets per year out of 160 elementary schools – which comes to 5 tickets per school.

      3. joe says:

        I think it teaches him not to be respectful of the law. Possibly, a behavior that is egregious enough to deserve a ticket will be equated with other childhood “crimes” like getting gum in his hair, or missing the bus………. We reserve adult punishment for adults because most adults are mature enough to understand the difference between thoughtless/stupid behavior and criminal behavior.

  8. john smith says:

    Try to investigate this . Our children are at stake. Bet the state gets very upset with you.
    A Marxist State already exisyts here

  9. Bill M says:

    Agreed John. Ricochet, you may have some experience, but your analysis is way off the mark. I don’t think tickets is the answer either, but we’re not talking about kids who “misbehave.” We’re talking about kids who are violent and/or don’t allow the class to function. These problems stem from the home, not the school or the “childish” teachers as you say. They think it’s the school’s job to raise their children. They are often divorced, lazy, self-centered and immature. The responsibility begins and ends with the family and God help the educators who have to struggle with their lack of responsibility. Discipline, love, time….give a child those 3 things at home and they won’t be receiving misdemeanors at school. I guarantee you that.

    1. Jesse says:

      Hmm… So tell me again why traditional discipline does not work for children disrupting class?? I think the problem is the teachers here. When I was in school, (and I’m only 30), we were afraid of the teachers. Teachers now spend too much time trying to be friends with the students, and this in itself causes the class to lose structure and control. Treat them like this and they will act like they do around friends… Take things away… Recess, eat lunch in the classroom, field trips, etc. I’m sure things will turn around pretty quick. Blaming parents for the schools cowardice is quite frankly a pathetic excuse for lousy structure such as lack of discipline lack of proper help in class, etc. But once again, people here are quick to place blame before knowing the whole situation.

      1. Rob says:

        Traditional discipline does not work because school districts have basically outlawed any of their employees from putting a hand on an out of control student. (law suit related) Instead most schools have gone to having police officers in their employment or contracted to deal with those issues that teachers/administrators dealt with in the distant past. The time it takes when a kid is rebelling to get the kid removed from the class so teaching can continue can vary between 3 minutes to 30 minutes (depending on how defiant the kid chooses to be). In a lot of those cases, it does fall on the parents who have failed to teach their kids to be respectful towards authority and those same parents want to blame schools, other kids …..or even law enforcement for the problems their kids are causing!

      2. rusty says:

        re: “Take things away… Recess, eat lunch in the classroom, field trips, etc. I’m sure things will turn around pretty quick.”

        I agree that these things would help, but it is against the law in most school districts to restrict kids from all of the things you mentioned above – it is lawsuits by parents against school districts for practicing the very things you suggest that intimidate principals and school districts into allowing disruptive kids do whatever they want. If you merely grab a kid by the arm – you can be in jail that night – I’m not kidding you. It takes parents who want their kids to learn to give a strong, clear message to state and local judges that they want schools and teachers to be allowed the authority to remove consistently disruptive students from classrooms. That authority includes giving teachers the power to withhold things like recess, field trips, etc. Right now, many, many states do not allow teachers and principals to have that authority.

  10. mike says:

    Are we sure this isn’t being done as a fund-raiser? $500 max per ticket and 1200 tickets is a nice piece of change. As much as $600,000.

    1. DRF says:

      … municipalities are looking for any revenue stream they can find.

  11. Some Guy says:

    You may know Texas Appleseed by its prior name of ACORN. The ACORN groups were so ashamed of their criminal activity in the past they changed their names.

  12. Rose says:

    We have to rely on the veracity and professionalism of the teachers for this to work, and I have no faith in either.

    My son is 10. Last month he was walking with a friend to band class. His friend was wearing a sleevless shirt, and put his armpit in my son’s face. My son told him to stop, and said the boy had stinky pits. These are verified facts.

    My son was chastised for bullying, and threatened with in-school suspension. When I spoke with the teacher, he assured me there would be no in-school suspension, it was simply a threat to make my son think about what he had done.

    The next time my son was in school (after some snow days), the class had a special 1 hour recess, which my son had to sit out because of that incident. The teacher flat-out lied to me, as sitting out recess is in-school suspension. The other boy was treated as a victim, and suffered no punishment.

    When you have a system that involves punishment, it is the child’s word against the teacher’s, and the teachers who are assumed to be telling the truth. With liars in those positions, the kids and families will be punished unfairly.

    1. SGB says:

      “Bully” is the favorite word of late. My grandson has been called down for being a “bully” if he touches another child–not hits, touches” The child tells the Mom he has been “bullied” and the mom calls the principal who then calls my daughter who asks for teacher witnesses. There are usually not any. We sometimes think the children are trying to get him in trouble. There needs to be some education about what constitutes “bullying” for both parents and students.

  13. jabusse says:

    I’m bet the poor underprivleged minority kids will have their fines paid by a special welfare check.

  14. skippy777 says:

    the parents and the kids should be giving tickets to the stupid teachers and administrators….the standard government school teacher is a card carrying marxist.

  15. steven clark says:

    WOW, they legal system is now collecting money from school kids! Americas Al-Qaeda is getting richer and more powerful while the rest of us are struggling to hold onto what little liberties and freedom we can.

  16. Grover says:

    Wow just read this article and I, a teacher, would love to have this in Florida. I was in a class 2 years ago where the 5 students throughout the year; destroyed my room, tried to stab other students, bit the principal, called my name all day long, knock over filing cabinet, through pencils and globes at other students, and tried to jump out of a second story window because I dared to change their behavior chart color. This was 2nd grade. Three of these students were Baker Acted and taken away in handcuffs. No help came parents or admin, but I had no classroom management. Gee how is this MY problem when meds are not given and the parents were and still act like children themselves. I felt bad for the rest of the students who had to endure this kind of treatment. I guess being a white woman in an all black hood school doesn’t help huh. I was let go because of this. My colleagues were shocked by this, but what could they do, they had their jobs to look after.

    1. BRIAN says:

      Wait a tic…you’re a teacher?
      Let’s see… they “through” a pencil? “knock” over filing cabinet?
      How about THREW the pencil and KNOCKED over the filing cabinet?
      The rest of your post was almost unintelligible due to poor syntax and sentence structure.
      Maybe you were let go becuase YOU ARE A MORON!!

      1. sean patriot says:

        Capitalizations are only supposed to appear in the first letter of the first word and all nouns after that, Mr. grammar nazi.

      2. Rowwdy says:

        You are petty Brian. Btw: What is “wait a TIC”?

    2. Grover says:

      Yes I am sorry that I did not go over my paragraph and edit my mistakes. How sad that you have to fall into name calling.

      1. Rose says:

        It’s sad Brian called you a moron; otherwise I agree with his statement. Every time my son brings papers home from school I am reminded how poorly educated the teachers are. I don’t mean sometimes, I mean every time – from teachers and principals.

        He brings home papers addressed to parents, which refer to “your child.” So far, so good. Then every single time, apparently in an effort not to overuse the phrase, the child is referred to as “they” or “them”. It appears that these so-called educators do not know that, if a person’s gender is unknown, the English language defaults to the masculine pronoun. If trying to be politically correct, it will default to the feminine, but never does it default to the plural form. Never.

      2. db says:

        Even your response has errors. You are a moron.

    3. lark says:

      Best thing is to form a not for profit business (association) to deal with those kids who are referred to the legal system by the schools. You could make a hefty salary. Bill Gates would donate millions and you could get government grants.

    4. Don says:

      From reading your post, I’m glad you were fired. One does not “through” pencils; they throw pencils. Your grammar is also atrocious. You should never have been allowed in the classroom at all. You obviously lacked totally in classroom management skills as well. I agree, however, that students have gotten more and more disruptive. Court ordered fines for parents might make them more receptive to accepting responsibility for civilizing their children.

      1. Grover says:

        Oviously you never worked in a “hood” school. Black teachers didn’t like it there. They told me they were teachers, not disciplinarians. There were kids there that had their Parole Officers come visit once a week. By the way what makes everyone who is not a teacher think teachers should be the super disciplinarians in classrooms, why do teachers have to work that hard? Where is the support for the rest of the students who do listen and respect the teacher. Teachers work hard enough making sure students get the work done that is in their curriculum, work that is mandated by the district level,state level, federal level, they listen to kids problems, and hope that their students hit all the reading and math levels, Once you put all the behavior drama from these kids in the mix, really teachers don’t get paid enough for what they have to do. Please don’t go boo hoo either to me. Teachers want to make a difference in the education of peoples lives. Teachers are not perfect people, we are suppose to train students to learn the basics of reading and math, then it is up to the students as they become adults to know what to do with those basics in society. If students can’t get that in a calm and safe enviroment, then the whole school has failed. Oh I forgot schools are failing in that respect, that’s why we are not number one in the world against other students. The behavior our students get away with in America is what is holding us back, plain and simple.

  17. Will says:

    I am a 59 year old retired Marine. I know the value of discipline. However, I also grew up in an extended familiy of “educators” (they preferred that to the term “teacher”). I saw firsthand over a lifetime how arbitrary, petty and spiteful a large percentage of teachers are. I experienced it with my children. Any perceived threat to an Adminitrator’s power dooms a child to be labeled a trouble maker. On top of that, the feminization of the education system seeks to castrate our youth. There is a definte line between bullying and defending yourself. Sadly, the teachers and nanny state dont want us to stand up or defend ourselves. In their opinion, that is strictly their perogative, arbitrarily applied, as an instrument of the progressive state.

  18. Poindel Rechimand says:

    Tell them to go Fu<k themselves.

    This is the Correct english to use.

  19. onlyme says:

    If the kids are really disruptive and uncontrollable it is the parents fault for not teaching them proper behavior. The parent should get the ticket. And no you don’t have to beat or mistreat a child to raise them decently, you just have to be a parent and spend some time with them and at least pretend that you are interested in them and love them.

  20. JohnF says:

    First, I also have no problems with the school’s issuing tickets for repeat offenders.

    As to Abby Amadore comment, it is NOT the schools job to teach morals or good behavior to kids, and it is NOT their job to diagnose any problems. That is the job of the PARENTS.

    It’s people like you that are causing these types of problems, abdicating your parental responsibilities to the state. You make me sick, grow a pair and stop trying to be your kids friend. You can do that when they are 18.

    1. tinac says:

      The ticketing of elementary age students is for the sole purpose to raise funds for the education system. A 6yr old child does not understand the reasoning of a ticket and its legality.

      I am a young mother (24yrs old) my child is now 4yrs old. Its unbelievable to me how many parents in my neighborhood allow their elementary aged children out to play in the streets all day and night with out any supervision. My neighbor ,who is one door down, allows her 5yr old and 7yr old out all day so she can sit on her couch watching soaps on TV. She is the one example of the very many parents I meet who simply do not care where their children are or what they are doing. I have had children ask me why I play with my son when we go outside. Its heart breaking the numbers of children at our play ground who run at us wanting to play with an adult. They are thriving for attention. These are the same children who begin to act out in school, the ones who are in trouble with the law. They need from their parents who wont give.

      My point is simply this, our school system is broken. Not all teachers are bad and we cant keep pointing fingers for the many reasons why we keep failing. People need to stand up and take some action. Parents need to parent their children, teachers need to not play nice and have more control over their class rooms and communities need to gather together to tackle this problem.

      I have attending public school in Florida, I have seen teacher being threatened by students as early as the 6th grade. I have personally threatened a teacher once in the 8th grade and was given a Saturday work detail (something they no longer do since thats considered too harsh). I learned my lesson and never spoke poorly to my teachers again. Once in high school I witnessed my Spanish teacher being punched in her face by another student. Her only line of defense was calling the dean who then took a total of 6min to get to our class room which was only a few walks away. The student was suspended for 4 days. She was fired. She was a great teacher who didn’t deserve to be treated so poorly by her students. It took her 20minutes everyday to get our class quiet so she could begin our lessons. Teachers need to be allowed to gain control of the class rooms. Students (like that boy) need to expelled from schools. My high school is now a charter school and they kick students out for bad behavior. Kids need to understand school is a privilege not a right. That same kid is now in jail for the next 5yrs for battery, grand theft, and other drug related things.

      I came from an abusive home, my brothers and I are products of our environment. I have made a personal choice not to hit my child as I know first hand that doesn’t work. My mothers spankings and alcoholic rages did only two things for me, made me destructive and disrespectful as a child. As adults we need to make the change and start acting like adults.

  21. lark says:

    Referring disruptive children to the legal system wouldn’t be entirely bad. It could have redeeming qualities. Unfortunately judges work for the government. A good strong legal system is the answer for a probable better future. Too bad the government is into education. Today the government is the one we need to fear most. They own us now. We belong to them. Almost every country in the world is freer than we are. In the future these kids will be afterward referred to mental health system chains and their future will be directed by government officials.

  22. curious says:

    where does the money go?

  23. Robert Cowger says:

    I have taught high school to elementary school, and pre k for some 14 years total after retiring from the fed govt with 25 years service.
    I have taught in the world’s worst schools, and in the best.
    I love teaching small children, they are fun to teach. High schoolers have to be carefully disciplined and I always was in charge of the class. A teacher of worth must know how to handle discipline problems. I found I could not trust the administration in nearly all of the schools in which I taught. There is the problem.

    1. David says:

      Thank you Robert Cowger for caring about the students first! I knew there must be some teachers that understood their important position on forming children’s lives.

  24. JoBeth says:

    OMG! Good thing I’m not in elementary school. They would put me in prison for chasing down my boyfriend during recess and planting a big kiss on his forehead.

  25. Robbie says:

    My sister works in a local elementary school. The amount of verbal abuse teachers and administrators are subjected to by students AND parents is ridiculous. Many parents believe schools are nothing more than a day care center for their kids. Her school sends out numerous letters asking parents to meet with them to discuss their child’s behavior and/or academic performance. Most don’t even care enough to attend. Those who do are usually the parents of the kids which are doing the best. Teachers don’t have the backing of the district as everyone is afraid of a lawsuit.

  26. ASDSDA says:

    HOMESCHOOL!

  27. George says:

    Welcome to Obama’s police state, enjoy your stay.

  28. Jim says:

    Teachers suck! You should all be fired and we should start over again with private schools only. The government has no right to be involved in education. Whenever there is something on the ballot to benefit schools or teachers I vote NO!

  29. Trick says:

    Wake up people. Get your kids out of government schools. Home school or private schools can provide your children an excellent education.

  30. ML Masengil says:

    Sad everything in life comes down to money.
    Great indoctrination practice to get the kids ready for the “real” world.
    Total BS!! We should all pull our children out of public school and instead homeschool them. Oh, wait, the pinheads say thats bad because they don’t learn social skills. Sorry, but quite frankly the social skills I see being taught are not the ones I wish for my kids anyway. Does no one see that our culture and our standing in the broader world have done nothing but suffer as our “education” system has grown. It’s plain to see. WAKE UP SHEEPLE!!!

  31. Angie says:

    it is about revenue and control …

    It use to be you were innocent until proven guilty but schools pass on guilt and force the burden on to the students. In addition, when in one one word against another, the teacher or school official decides without respect to the law. If “we” accept this, we must also except the death of our Constitution…

  32. jonnot says:

    What an idiotic idea. With most courts across the country bogged down with severe case backloads, this is just what they need: even more frivilous items on the court docket. These disciplinary incidents are clearly issues for parents, teachers, principals, asst. principals and school boards to handle, not our court system.

  33. Misdemcation says:

    What a brilliant idea — put the idea into elementary school children’s minds that they are criminals. Yeah, that will make them into better citizens.

  34. Tom says:

    This is a load of bunk! The schools lack ANY legal authority to issue civil citations. Furthermore, this is nothing more than a continued MONEY GRAB. Place the child in detention and inconveneince the parent and child. If the behavior continues THEN refer it to the proper authorities; children’s services, police, school board etc… Get ready folks, as tax revenues decline, cities and districts are going to find ways to nickle and dime you all to death! Put an end to it now before you continue down what will inevitably be a VERY slippery slope!

  35. sean patriot says:

    Oh good, the babboons get their rap sheets started earlier so we can lock them up quicker

  36. sean patriot says:

    You’re just going to give those babboons more street cred

  37. mitch says:

    Get the police out of our children’s schools. Prisoners will act like and be treated like prisoners.

  38. Ender says:

    Let’s see. Give a kid detention, parents win. Free babysitting. That, or the kid says they have something after school, parents are never the wiser their kid is a problem child.
    Give a kid a ticket, parents lose. They have to pay the fine. Or, at least you KNOW the parents know about the transgression this time.

  39. sean patriot says:

    Just suspend the kid if they are a reoccuring problem child. Let the parents deal with them.

  40. JoeCool says:

    Robbie has the right idea. I am a conservative HS science teacher teaching in a rural northern state & I have never had discipline problems.
    But parents these days are extremely hostile to teachers, usually thinking their child can do no wrong.
    We are always threatened with a lawsuit. Parents with problem children never come to the school when asked, never attend parent/teacher conferences etc.
    School has become glorified daycare. Students feel they are invincible & can do anything they want bcs their parents look at the school as the problem & oftentimes never think their kid could be the problem.
    Tickets are ridiculous, I agree.
    Detention & other avenues of discipline are the way to go.
    Tickets make a young child think they are a criminal.
    Treat someone like a criminal when they’re not, & don’t be surprised if they end up being one.

  41. IndyGirl says:

    The problems began back in the 60s when discipline was taken out of the schools. A disruptive student’s right to an education overshadowed the right of the other students in the class to an education. Back in the OLD days, both teachers and parents spanked children (there is a HUGE difference between spanking and beating). Believe me, the threat of going out in the hall to receive a whack by the teacher or principal kept most of us in line. The humiliation hurt much more than the actual pain. Yes, I did receive a spanking in school in the first grade when the teacher came in and caught me with another student’s tongue in one hand and my scissors in the other!! (I was tired of him sticking his tongue out at me!) When I got home I was informed the teacher had called my mother and I got another spanking. Believe me, I learned my lesson at the age of six, and never got another one.

    Too many parents today give their children little to no discipline, and somehow expect that once they enter school that either the children will behave or the teachers can overlook what they do because they are so cute or so precious. Other parents are just so involved in their own lives (good or bad) that they just don’t bother, and everyone else has to pay the price.

    When my kids went to school, there were parents (or students) who would tell the teachers that if the child was touched the school would be sued. Those were usually the children that needed discipline the most. Let’s use common sense and return discipline to the schools and allow teachers once again to be teachers, and not mommies, nurses, social workers or referees.

  42. Mune Shadowe says:

    It is a sad state of affairs that I as a taxpayer has to contribute to this insanity. A misdemeanor before a child graduates from school that the public fool system contributes to? I am beginning to be leave that the fool system should be defunded of tax dollars and have to compete for funding just like private schools do.
    Or would that be all too competitive for the Commie teacher unions?

  43. Chris Dame says:

    Quote from article: “Abby Amadore found that alarming. “It’s the (school district’s) job to help us as parents to help them determine what’s right from wrong.”

    THAT’S NOT THE SCHOOL’S JOB!!! It’s YOUR job to teach them right from wrong, it’s the school’s job to teach them reading, writing, math, etc.

    THIS IS THE CORE OF THE PROBLEM – PARENTS WANTING THE SCHOOLS TO DO THEIR JOB.

    1. Rowwdy says:

      That’s all fine and dandy Chris, except in many states the school systems are so socialistic, kids are coddled and parents are arrested for simple corporal punishment. Parents and students have been indoctrinated for over 30 years now with “positive parenting” theories. Kids can act out atrocious bad behavior, get punished by parents and then go to school, tell a teacher and end up with some fool of a social worker on their doorstep. A LARGE part of this problem started with the school system.

  44. samg says:

    AS long as we can tiicket the teachers for thier sloppy work, the pricipals for thier laziness, the janitor for not clening, the school cafeteria for bad food and the school board for thier bad choices – go right ahaead and pick on the poor children and thier families…. lets see how YOU like being ticketed!

    1. lark says:

      Wouldn’t that be great. A super strong legal system where judges pass judgment on everything. That way we can deconstruct and eliminate most government departments and offices, local, state and national. Hopefully judges will stop working for the government. I would like to take my dentist to court and have a judge pass judgment on my zirconium crowns that cost me a fortune and left me with pain when I chew bread.

  45. Bob says:

    This is for “John”, the teacher who “teaches”… buck-up buttercup, this is the internet where there is no civility and flaming each other is the norm. Grow some thick skin and deal with it.
    Bob

  46. John N. says:

    The larger question concerns the role of public schools – juvenile jails really as attendance is mandatory. In the private school, an intolerable child would be simply expelled. Unfortunately, truancy laws have the effect of dropping this child into the school of last resort – the public school.

    It’s important that children are educated; it is a public good. But you cannot push a rope and when a child has demonstrated that he cannot or will not be educated, let him go. Tough, perhaps, but at least the remaining children can get on with the education. Will this result in idle twelve-year-olds on the street corner or breaking into houses? Perhaps, but the demonstrated career choice and its consequences will not be lost on the others.

  47. OB says:

    Fining parents of repeat older troublemakers is OK –but Class C gives these children a criminal record. What a way to start on the road to life.

    1. lark says:

      this is an incremental process. it will get worse and worse. government knows they own us now. they order we pay. children will fall into place.

  48. David says:

    I was curious about the advantages and disadvantages about issuing a “ticket”, but when I saw that the ticket includes substantial fines it all comes into focus… does the teacher/school get a kickback from those fines? If a teacher does not like a student why not just hang the parents by the ankles til their money falls out, put a lien on their home, or seize their bank accounts? Does it really boil down to the “benjamins”?
    What does that teach the students about innocent until proven guilty? It seems the ticket issuer is the judge and jury, and the verdict is automatically guilty. Can a teacher who abuses that power be fired? IE “Hey little girl, either you be nice to teacher or I’ll give your struggling parents a $500 ticket?”
    Why not start young to teach the children to hate the “government”? That would surely start a whole crop of “Oklahoma City bombers”.
    I see those things happening by taking this path. The ticket option is nothing less than passing the buck- it’s easier to throw a troubled student to the criminal penal system rather than apply more traditional methods of child behavior control.

    1. Rowwdy says:

      Spot on David. You nailed it right down to the $ signs.

  49. Dark Knight says:

    And public schools don’t understand why there is a homeschool movement?? I hand you Exhibit A . . .

  50. Hugh says:

    This is not about discipline. It’s about money. Give us a ballbark figure on how much money the school district received in fines. Crime and punishment in this country is now based on economic growth for government not enforcement of public safety. Imagine a society were no crime had monetary punishment but loss of priveledge or incarciration.

  51. Patrick Brody says:

    Teaching the youth to mind their manners in the new police state.
    Another reason to home school and restrict the mandatory State education system.

    1. nobody says:

      i want a hamburger

  52. Barent Parslow says:

    My family is full of teachers, I have worked as a substitute and, of course, I was once a student. I think it is absolutely ridiculous to issue tickets to elementary students. They aren’t adults and as teachers and school administrators, these people should know that children do NOT process the action in the same way as adults. In other words they CAN NOT learn a lesson from the receipt of a ticket. It is the whole family who is punished in that all that income is taken from them.

    Further, it is the teacher who is present at the time the inappropriate action is taken and it is the teacher who must be the one to immediately correct the student. I know that none of my teachers were unable to do so, nor have any of my family members who are teachers had a problem in doing so.

    There are two reasons teachers are not correcting students and the system is moving to ticketing. The number one reason is that younger teachers are lazy. I know this is a generalization but many, many younger teachers came to the profession only for the income and have no interest in actually teaching or working with young people/children.

    The other reason is that some students have cognitive problems caused by a number of factors some of which might include drug abuse by their parents while they were in utero, their own drug abuse, the results of physical abuse and malnutrition (not starving, but ill-fed). Those problems ARE the responsibility of the parents. However, the ticketed student is unlikely to have their condition improved with the ticketing approach.

    Just as is true of the “zero tolerance” policies, the ticketing policy is an easy and cheap method used by the school system to remove bothersome children from the system.

  53. Publius Rex says:

    The ills of the education system can be traced back well beyond the time of Horace Mann. Contemplate the meaning of the word “sinister” and think about being left handed, many, many moons ago.

    In Horace Mann’s case, he took the word “Normal” from the French, and added to that title the teaching methods used in Prussian Seminary Schools.

    The result was that students were taught in a linear fashion, and that subjects of knowledge were divided, crippling one’s ability to use relative thoughts. Splash on some “fervent patriotism” and the stage is set for “Making the World Safe for Democracy”…

    Strange thoughts though, through a Federal Republic…

  54. Harry Browne Fan says:

    This isn’t about displine. It’s about revenue. Government schools are bloated and bankrupt — and not just in the financial sense. All parties are allowed to be stupid. Here’s the agenda: Answer to bells, disrupt thought before any critical thinking occurs, cheer for the home team, rah rah. That is important to politicians. They want to be masters which see to your every need as long as you work too much and hand over the dough so they can spread it around. Frankly, school should be voluntariy, private, and paid for by tuition. The monoply needs to be broken to make room in the market for quality education through competetion. Otherwise, society spirals down under least common denomonator schooling. Its immoral to use the force of government to extract/steal money/property from one person to fund the schooling/dumbing down of another.

    1. Grover says:

      wow that was awesome!

    2. db says:

      What a great plan — make education even more out of reach for lower income families. In just a couple of generations we could expand the percentage of high school dropouts from 8 to 30 or 40. Since it’s voluntary, maybe only boys would go so that girls could stay home to help with chores. In no time we could have only the elite attending school and the rest could return to the good old days of tending the farm. Or stealing and vandalizing. Educating our population is one of the most basic tenets of our society, yet you want us to have the same system as Afghanistan.

      1. Nich says:

        Sigh, the same arguement over and over again. If we dont provide (fill in the blank) for lower income people, then how will they get it? Do some research on medicare and how its introduction lead to the destruction of charity hospitals. Look at the cash for clunkers nonsense (which costed the taxpayer around $25,000 per car they took in). How many of those people would have donated their cars if there wasnt a gov’t program paying them more? Quit making excuses for extorting money out of people.

  55. Paul says:

    So, tickets are give out to the kids for being bad…these tickets are paid for by the parents, so it essentially punishes them…I’m guessing the idea is for the parents to, in turn, punish their children…which, ironically, will get the parents punished (again) for child abuse…what a great circle.

  56. Jack Kennedy says:

    this what you get in the big cities with the obama riff raff

  57. Roger says:

    why do you think that their are two million home schooled children in the US. With this kinda stuff going on, who wants to be close to any “public school.” The cream rises to the top!

  58. George says:

    PEOPLE! This isn’t about improving school discipline. If you give a kid detention it may or may not cure the problem, but if you give him a ticket the school system/ government gets MONEY!!!!!!!!!! Any questions?

  59. yakko says:

    Anyone who sends their kid to this school is guilty of child abuse.

    Greedy, money-grubbing animals–that’s what these school officials are.

  60. Islesfan says:

    Unfortunately, this is the result of the growing pehnomenon of “School Homing.” Unlike homeschooling, in school-homing, parents dispose of their children at the school door and abandon all other responsibilities to the school. The school is not legally equipped to handle these problems (most old remedies like paddling and detention are no longer available to the schools), so they have to hand off to law enforcement. Maybe, by fining parents of chronically disruptive and violent kids, these parents will finally wake up and realize that they do not have the right to dump their problems at the school door and let them deprive 20 or 30 other students of their right to an education.

  61. PCR says:

    Schools are ran today like a Gestapo. the Schools have way too much power and can give detesion or expel a student for the most minor of the ZERO tollerance rules. Things like a 6 year old drawing a picture of a gun, and getting tossed out is an example of the schools going wrong. Kids are in school to learn. If a student is very disruptive, a bully or something severe, the parents should be contacted to pick up the kid, and take action. Military schools are available for difficult kids, but that is a rare alternative. This could be an alternative to detension. The Minor affenses most of the time are way over reacted knee jerk, i will show you our power type of respnses that can cause children to have psychological problems caused by the schools inapropriate severe punishment for the minor problems.

    1. irene says:

      are you going to just complain or are you going to get involved with the PTA or become a member of the school board and change thiings all politics are local and if we want to change things for the better we as Americans citizens need to become invovled at the local level and begin to change things all the way up the chain. it works and that how to do it.

  62. davec says:

    Schools are ADMIN AGENCIES which have NO LAW ENFORCEMENT POWERS.

    Parents should go on a rampage over this

    This is NOTHING but a FINANCIAL RACKET

  63. Joe says:

    According to the US Census the median income per household member (including all working and non-working members above the age of 14) was $26,036 in 2006. ($71.33 dollars a day)

    http://pubdb3.census.gov/macro/032007/hhinc/new02_001.htm

    Since when should a Class C Misdemeanor cost more than a weeks wage ($500) for an average worker. One day’s wage would be too severe in my opinion.

  64. RPM says:

    These students are victims of intolerance, or zero tolerance as it is more publicly known as. When zero tolerance became a policy in schools, we failed as a nation. When dealing with children and trying to teach them to be good people, we need to have unlimited patience. We, as adults and role models, need to treat our children with patience and understanding. Because that is what we expect of them.

  65. San Diego Steve says:

    What happened to the assumption that teachers and administrators can, and should, deal with most disciplinary problems in a school? During my school years (40+ years ago) I recall only one instance in which police were called to cope with student misconduct, and it was an incident in which a very large and powerful 17 year old threatened teachers with a knife. Maintaining order is a fundamental obligation of school authorities and it appears that many administrators are simply “passing the buck” to law enforcement in order to avoid having to deal with a particular situation. I know that conditions in schools are different than they were 40 years ago, but so long as they are given sufficient authority we have a right to expect that teachers and school authorities will deal with all but a few disciplinary problems. Calling the police on a 6 year old is beyond absurd!

  66. David says:

    Yeah, this has to do with preventing it.
    Time to get your kids out of these meat grinders and mind warping schools.
    Begin pushing for complete privately funded schools. If the school is receiving 15k per student, the family can take them out and use that to either home school or send them to private school.
    You would see a 100% improvement in schools in under 1 year. If the schools knew they had competition they may actually attempt to teach besides using it as a daycare center.
    Of course the public schools would of course go the way of the dodo, being that they are infested by government unions.

  67. KipNoxzema says:

    This is all about avoiding lawsuits and letting the police handle it. I’m sure the school unions love this.

    It’s some more nudging of society towards a police state, which is what this current Regime wants, regardless of how it traumatizes a kid.

  68. iamme says:

    I have kids in ponder school district. As far as the elementry school goes they are great.they are keepimg me involved when there is a problem with my kids and resolving it correctly. The jr high on the other hand i have had both the principle/vice principle have lied to me and a few occasions. They don’t have the spine to call me when there is a problem now. I decided not to persue legaly do to the fact i have been told these two jellyfish will go out of there way to make school harder for my daughter.
    (views and oppinions of this post are the oppions of its author only it’s up to each person to decide a persons character and this post may not be a accurate reflection of the person or persons being posted about)

  69. CleanFun says:

    There are so many reasons to home-school that I can’t even list them all off here.

    Forget all that “Leave no child behind” stuff. You can cover in an hour what takes public schools a week or more to teach.

    – Public school teaching adding and subtracting with a pencil & a piece of paper.
    OR
    – You pay for chores and make a game out of bartering the value of their service & then trying to under-pay them. You’d be surprised how fast they pick up on the arithmetic when you mess with their toy-money.

    – Public school teaching biology from a book printed in the 70’s.
    OR
    – You go fishing and hunting. It’s hard to forget where the heart is and what it does when you’ve held one in your hand that’s still beating.

    – Public school trying to explain how food gets to the grocery store and then to your dining table.
    OR
    – You raise chickens & plant a garden together.

    Granted, not everyone has the luxury to stay home and educate their child(ren) but it’s like anything else; If you want it bad enough, you’ll find a way. On your worst day you’ll still outshine public schools in their finest hour.

    Good luck & God bless.

  70. Geechee says:

    Thank the Lord I was able to put my daughter in private school when we lived there. DISD is a third-world school system.

  71. banks1 says:

    The reason the United States is declining as a major influence in the world, is because there seems to be an excuse for everything children do. 50 years ago did you have all of the “programs” aimed at helping kids? Did you have timeouts? Trophies and award certificates for trying your best? No. It was a cut and dry system that basically weeded out losers and people who CHOSE to misbehave and cause trouble, who were lazy, and who added nothing to society. Now we are producing less of the world’s top scientists, inventors, and economic influence. IT STARTS AT HOME PARENTS!! Don’t blame your child’s failures on the teacher! Education starts from the moment your child says his first word. Read to your kids. Practice their math facts. Ask them about their day. Yes, it is the teacher’s job to educate, discipline, and enforce good behavior. But, this will be an exercise in futility if the parents are not enforcing this at home. If your kid misbehaves, I have no problem with them getting their face smacked or receiving a ticket. Maybe when the United States finally does collapse, people will wake up and realize they need to take responsibility for their own actions instead of whining about it and looking for a scapegoat. Do you think the teacher randomly chooses a name from a hat and that child will receive a police ticket? Really?? No, your child did something that was inappropriate and there need to be punishment for it. Not excuses. Life isn’t fair, get over it and move on.

  72. Mike says:

    It is not a school’s job to teach right from wrong, that falls on parents. It is a school’s job to teach academics. If a student disrupts this process, then they must live with the consequences

    1. banks1 says:

      Exactly right

  73. Jeff says:

    All you have to do is install cameras in the classrooms and hallways then when some parent says “My kid wouldn’t do that” then the school can just show them the video.
    Public schools have the ability to be much better if more parents were involved in their childrens lives and one third of the student’s weren’t non english speaking illegals taking valuable teacher time away from students who are legal residents. Instead of classrooms of 60 students you would only have classrooms of 38 or so.

    1. Iamme says:

      Well at ponder jr high when something does happen if its one of the favorites that start it then the parent gets “we don’t have cameras in that part of the school” kimda funny how the rest of the school has cameras accept the lunch room and kinda funny how they couldn’t find any other witnesses other than those involved (btw it was basicly 4 against 1) in a crowded lunch room. Course he might not have a grudge against my daughter because I called him a ” complete f’ing idiot” two weeks before because of his negligence I don’t see him that shallow of a person…….

  74. Josh says:

    Welcome to the Orwellian Police State. The schools are already run like prisons. But since that is not breaking the children’s humanity, now we send them to juvenile. End the Police State. It is the problem not the solution.

  75. M. Blatz says:

    The article lacks detail, so one is left to fill-in the blanks; usually with negative experiences and fears from one’s own life. Perhaps that was the intent. Regardless, it would have helped if the story had been developed a bit more.

    Hats-off to parents these days. Parenting has never been an easy job, but in these times of schools ticketing students, students cursing teachers, and school boards that seem to be from Mars, etc., I can’t imagine trying to raise a child. I’m glad that phase of my life is now over.

    For what it’s worth, my kids went to school in seven different states and two countries. What I found is not surprising: not all kids are good; not all teachers are great; not all principals are as bad as they seem; and I’ve never seen a school board solve a problem that couldn’t have been handled better at a lower level.

    So, spend as much time with your kids as you can. Help them with their homework or find someone who can. No one is going to look out for your kid but you, but if someone isn’t looking out for their own kid, find a way to reach out and help when you can.

  76. Frank says:

    This shows the incompetence of the Department of Education. Their best idea is to arrest 6 year old children. This just conditions them to be criminals (by grouping them with other criminals) and to be victims of the police state.
    Read the Deliberate Dumbing Down of America to see what they are doing to America’s Future (The PDF is free)
    http://www.deliberatedumbingdown.com/

    1. Maxwell says:

      They aren’t getting arrested. They are being given tickets, like when you get caught speeding.

      Although I think it is stupid.

      As though parents, in this economy, need a $500 ticket that billy got for disrupting class. I’m pretty sure that isn’t going to help the child’s access to good food and school supplies.

  77. Mr. Wee Wee says:

    Mr. Wee Wee sez “yOu gO girl and STAND FIRM behind Barack!

  78. Mr. Wee Wee says:

    Mr. Wee Wee loves me some penal code! yOu gO girl and STAND FIRM behind Barack!

  79. jerry says:

    Hiklarious ! It’s enough to make Barney Frank gag. & that’s saying something !

  80. Jax says:

    Can we all say HOME-SCHOOL!?!

  81. lee mochow says:

    It is funny that we are giving up total control over our families to the government and for what? How can this be good for the children to be label a criminal at an early age.
    The Holy Bible state “stare the rod and spoil the child”.

  82. Bobby Toms says:

    Sounds to me like some parents need to step up to the plate and take some responsibility at home for the discipline of their children. A spanking or grounding gave me a new found respect for who my mom and dad were and the rules that they laid out. We weren’t allowed to misbehave. Talk about a generation of softies. People should be embarrassed to be associated with this article. Things are bigger in Texas, including the idiots!!!!

  83. Teresa Davis says:

    everything is out of order, our government our schools our moral attitudes.i work for a school district,and seen first hand everyday how these kids are,and the teachers cant do a thing with them or else be fired. Ive actually heard kids use the f word and the teachers do nothing,when the kids know they can push the envelope most will, we need to take a big breath,and step back and figure out where it all went wrong, i am sure we all have an ideal.

  84. Luther says:

    Marxist? You need a better education. Texas is many things that are not desirable, but Marxist is not one of them. (Of course, you can use any word in any way you want with any definition you choose. Just don’t expect others to use words with your definitions.)

  85. Non Dallas Resident For Many Reasons says:

    The writer of this article, along with his or her editor/grammar checker, should be given a ticket. Must be a DISD product.

    1. sherry says:

      I’m in my 50’s and when I was in grade school you got spanked with 2 teacher witnesses. We had one bully who misbehaved in the whole school. We all knew who he was.

      I know teachers who teach at an upper-middle class area and love teaching the kids because the kids are respectful, polite & want to learn.

      I also know teachers who work in the inner-city schools. They say many of the teachers are on medication because they are so stressed because nearly half of their kids misbehave: talking loud while the teacher teaches, picking fights, being disrespectful to the teacher all day long, and just not doing their work nor homework. The principals don’t let the kids get sent to their office anymore either.

      Do you see the difference, If you don’t work in an inner-city school, you don’t get what the problem is. The parents aren’t around, so someone needs to make these kids mind, spank the little monsters. A sting on the rear can save their life.

  86. Jacquelyne says:

    Then every child is entitled to a jury trial and if necessary a court-appointed attorney paid for by the taxpayers.
    When did educators leave the system?

    1. db says:

      Not for a misdemeanor. And educators left the system when they got tenure and were no longer empowered to disciple their students.

    2. john smith says:

      This is merely wrong headed and based on the greedy Lawyer who wants more money and the Greecy Marxist Government who would pown the child.

      1. db says:

        What does “pown” mean?

  87. john Smith says:

    This is plain wrobng. Children under the age of 12 do not understand what this means. They go hpome and cruy,. and that’ds it, but the Marxists of Government want to take the Parents money for the fine. Thjo create anaimosity between the parent and the child. This is wrong.

  88. TR says:

    Follow the money. 1200 tickets X $500. = $600,000. Guess the schools have found a new funding source.

  89. JoyS says:

    Follow the money. 1200 tickets X $500. = $600,000. Guess the schools have found a new funding source.

    ________

    Actually the county versus the ISD is collecting the money but also they are paying the administrative costs of having to collect the tickets….this is nuts. ISDs should not be running either county or city business. For all you Dallas residents out there what this means is not only does the ISD collect your property tax but they are plusing up your county tax by using the county as their surrogate for discipline.

    You should be outraged versus agreeing this is a good idea….school discipline should be handled by the school…it’s actually a part of THEIR JOB!

  90. sassa says:

    Just more teachers/principals too chicken to deal with problem kids.

  91. AkJ says:

    I think this is all very misguided. If schools gave ticket to my parents, I’d jump for joy! If anything, they’re allowing bad students who have a terrible relationship with their parents to cause a financial toll along with the emotional one. Detention isn’t effective, but ticketing the parents is just going to say “Don’t worry, we’ll send your parents a bill.” To kids who where anything like me.

  92. Bagbalm says:

    Since when do school personnel have the AUTHORITY to ticket? Can they ticket the parents? Police powers? And nobody questions this?

  93. MassMom says:

    What an amazing response to this article. No matter which side of the fence you fall on the question is the same. Who is responsible for the education of our children in the schools system? The answer is obvious – the parents and the teachers/school commitee. The legal system is not. If there are issues with a student in the classroom, it should be dealt with by the the school administration and parents. Corporal punishment in the schools is not an option unless the school district wants to face litigation in this litigious world we live in.

    I do not believe spankings or beatings are effective. In this day and age this method has proven more problematic than effective. We have evolved beyond that. In order to deal effectively with children we must demosntrate INTEGRITY and INTELLIGENCE. That goes for the parents and the teachers, the two most influential groups in this discussion. It’s not easy, and it takes time but it is time well spent. The problem is our societylooks for easy ways out or short cuts. INVEST in our children and see a better future. Take short-cuts and deal with the consequences. Our children deserve more than short cuts like issuing a ticket for errant behavior or beatings. The people who agree with beatings need to acquire some intelligence and maturity. We are adults. We have the capacity and ability to shape the future without physical force. The question is are you adult enough to make the effort or are you looking for the magic pill to make it better? As parents we should know what our children need to thrive. We should be involved and give that direction to teachers. If the need is beyond the teacher’s capacity we should seek out other resources to support or augment what our children are getting in school. It’s like this – Healthy child = loving, supportive family + comptent, supportive educators + specialists, clinicians or other aids.

  94. John says:

    What authority do schools operate under that allows them to issue tickets to minors? Is there also a dispute system? Courts? Appeals? In short, where is the controlling legal authority for these actions?

  95. Kevin says:

    It is interesting watching this country go down the tubes. This country has become a mess. I hope you all “feel” good about it. This country used to be free and respectable. Now we are a nanny-state (soon to be a police-state)….

  96. Bobby T says:

    How about instead of giving the parents the bill and the kids a piece of paper implementing a youth court system. WE have it here in my town and it is great… kid misbehaves then his peers sentence him to community service hours. After a kid spends 20 hours cleaning bedpans he’ll think again about causing trouble…

  97. Steve says:

    From this article:

    DISD issued a statement on the report, saying “The district’s number one priority is safety and the learning environment should never be compromised. The vast majority of our students are not disruptive. Those who do receive tickets are hopefully learning that their actions have consequences.”

    Since when was EDUCATION no longer the number one priority of a school?

  98. J. Mack says:

    Under what authority or statute is a school authorized to issue a criminal citation?

  99. noneofyourbusiness says:

    Another government powerplay to control our kids.

  100. David Andrew Gay says:

    Wow! What a stupid idea. When you punish a child in this manner, it loses all meaning as a deterrent when they become an adult.

  101. couricafool says:

    The school has the power to issue a citation for what they decide is a criminal violation to even first grade children. How about the parents having the power to issue a citation to the lazy good for nothing teachers that failure to teach? We all know how many of those type of teachers they have in the Dallas School District.

  102. David Smith says:

    Teacher power was taken away, so having the trash parent (notice I didn’t say parents) parent communicate with the child and then explain why such a poor clueless parent to the judge is a great way to change behavior.
    You gotta do something to combat the law of the jungle in effect at the schools.

    In the meantime the US falls further down the list of competitiveness.

  103. Angry Voter says:

    Until recently the average family in Sweden had 2 houses, 2 cars and a boat. How did they manage that with 2 months of vacation? Easy. They were sterilizing violent offenders and low IQ people up until the 1970s.

    The US also sterilized violent offenders and low IQ people up until the early 50s.

  104. volarie says:

    thats right, take money from a cash straped home that they could use for bills food etc. and give it to an already over paid school district. that will really teach them. can the parents fine the school district for doing such a lousey job of teaching our children mabey we should get the goverment out of our schools as private schools turn out better children. this just makes a better case for home schooling. by the way where does the money go and what would happen if they didn’t pay the fine

  105. Mark Simpson says:

    Wake up people! Get your kids out of these schools now! The progressives running these re-education camps are destroying these kids.

  106. freddy says:

    Hilarious that the DISD CLAIMS that their first priority is “safety and the learning environment should never be compromise”!!!

    It’s first priority is to assure that the union/welfare teat-sucklers it both services and employs are enabled to be a drain on society for generations to come!!!

  107. su winn says:

    LOL ! Having been a prior teacher, Parents are the key to their child’s education! If the parent does not care, there is absolutely nothing the teacher can do.
    Had a 6th grader, parents (lived across the street who’s parents spoke only spanish) would never come to any meetings, (even with a translator available)
    Or course he was in special ed., because he would never do his work (threw on floor) and could not read beyound 1st grade. Tried 100 ways and zero effort.
    And he flat out stated, he did not care.

  108. Riteaidbob says:

    I am so glad I had a vasectomy early in life…All you “Progressives”…your not for “Progress” your Communists without the armed revolution. You want to run every aspect of our pathetic lives because you know better what we should or shouldn’t do.

  109. Russ1449 says:

    This is nothing more than another way for the gummint to get your money so they can spend more.

  110. Dawn says:

    http://www.texasappleseed.net/

    Social & Economic Justice…
    Run from this group AND run fast.

  111. Mr Smart says:

    If you love your children, do not send them to GOVERNMENT (public) schools.

  112. jdr lesser says:

    Where is the legal authority for school officials serve criminal citations or summons? Or is a misdemeanoer not a crime in Texas? (I am pretty sure that it is considered a crime elsewhere, even if it occurred in Texas.)

    I’m in California, where only sworn law enforcement may serve a criminal citation or summons. Midsdemeanors are crimes in California. It’s amazing to find that there are states where anyone can serve anyone else with a criminal summons or citation.

  113. PatirotDefender says:

    Yet another example of abject failure in the American publice education system. Pitiful, wasteful, useless..

  114. Danlee says:

    All defendents need to ask for a jury trial.. and if found guilty take the jail time . this is a stupid way to enforce school rules. what happedt to a paddle.,The parents should file a wrongful aresst law suit for every ticket issued .bogg down the system.Hire laywers and P.I.s to do intents background on officer and school admin. and bring out all past and public and private affairs ,Give the police and schoolAdmin to worry about than a child getting a ticket.

    1. jdr lesser says:

      you’re assuming that these alleged misdemeanor citations are lawful. If they are lawful then by all means go to court to fight them. But if you do so and they are NOT legal, then you are admitting that they have legal effect and authority.In that case, everyone loses. If they are not lawful, they’re best ignored, And if an arrest warrant is issued and someone arrested for ignoring the citation, sue the hell out of the courts, law enforcement and schools for false arrest. They have no excuse for ignoring the law. Consult an attorney forall the thrilling details. And I’m not an attorney, BTW.

  115. Dannigan says:

    Since when did fat, otherwise unemployable liberal union members receive the power to ticket a child?

    Why don’t you focus on teaching children rather than your bloated union benefits and maybe you’ll get some results. On second thought, forget it, the liberal public schools have already failed, they just haven’t run out of money yet.

    Private school, home school, charter school… anything but liberal failed public schools.

  116. James Boyd says:

    Pass all kinds of laws, give tickets, threaten, suspend, etc. Do anything and everyting EXCEPT teach them morals and personal responsibility. Doing that infringes on their “liberty” even if others are indangered. American schools, for the most part, are garbage. Parents are criminals. Take the parent and beat his/her read end until he/she has to stnad up for a month.

  117. Scott says:

    It’s sad to see that a group of adults can not have a discussion without resorting to insults and name calling. Why are we not able to present our opinions, views, and perspectives without all the drama and pettiness. Sometimes it is best to agree to disagree and leave it at that.

    I did not get a chance to read all the comments, but I noticed that no one has mentioned the fact that the parents were being fined up to $500. Is the real reason the school choose this route was to generate funds? Where is all our tax money going? I feel that one of the biggest mistakes we made as a nation, was to allow the Federal government into the schools and allowed the formation of the Unconstitutional DOE. While in all fairness the government has had some positive effects, I feel it as a whole it has done more harm than good. The parents and the local community should be the main authority over the school. When I was in school, my parents did not have to buy a thing. When my child goes to school, I have to provide all the supplies and the school is asking me to buy extra for the class to use. Lets not forget I have to pay for the meals to. Again I ask, where is our tax money going?

    Spare the rod, spoil the child. This means we are to give our children laws, rules, guidelines, and regulations. Our children should know that if they violate any of these that there WILL be an appropriate consequence(s). Punishments should fair and consistant. Lets get real folks. In the real world, if you commit certain crimes there are dire consequences such as fines, jail, or the big momma, death row. If you commit a crime in a foreign country, most of them don’t mess around like we do. They will cane you, cut your hand off, beat and torture you in jail, and yes, kill you. So don’t mislead the child into thinking the world is a big candy store, nothing bad ever happens, and that there are no real consequences in life. If the child commits a “bad” enough crime, then a dire consequence of a swat on the butt is justified and is REAL life.

  118. comprof says:

    The school administrators are sick themselves. No common sense. If children can no behave they should be expelled for a year. Make school a privilege instead of a mandatory requirement. Get some competent teachers who make an education have value instead of a worthless certificate.

  119. Brad Skidmore says:

    Violence and fines and fees … Governments and the schools they own are the oppressor.

    We are the cattle.

  120. mike says:

    It is all about the cash! you cant rake it in by suspension or detention. a polic officer goes through extensive training and vetting to be able to issue citations…what training do the teachers have? Are they deputized?

  121. dave says:

    Parenting!

  122. Miguel says:

    I think one of the operative words here is “persistent” misbehavior and disruption. We have too many parents not taking their parenting responsibilities seriously enough. The damage Hollywood’s evil messaging does to our kids is vastly underestimated.

    As a teacher in California I have long thought that if parents could be fined and sanctioned for sending their racist, hateful, purposely disruptive kids to harm other people’s kids, that that would help the educational experience more than anything else. The fact that the ACLU and 100 other groups consistently hurt the schools’ reasonable efforts in these areas is part of their calculated efforts to destroy America.

  123. James says:

    I Timothy 2 specifically states that women should not teach or have authority over man

    By your ignorant religious standards we need to fire all female teachers and kill all the gay teachers.

    Texas and Florida are prisons for sheeple where they have highway check points. NAZIS do love to show their papers and do bad things to children. My children have never been spanked but then they were brought up with love and JUSTICE.

    Sheeple are too stupid that it is a way to tax the poor to keep them poor. It also makes for good cannon fodder and a way to get rid of them. Good riddence cannon fodder fear based morons.

  124. clarese76 says:

    This is just insanity, don’t the police have anything better to do? This just shows a school’s lack of problem solving skills on something that is not unusual in a school setting. NYS is just as bad, they put a kids probation for attendance issues, and other things. This sort of policy erodes liberties for future generations. These kids are going to grow up not understanding freedom without a heavy authoritarian presence. Just think of what repressive policies they will come up with when they have children.

  125. SerfOfObama says:

    Sure is a good thing that nothing more serious took place, like kids being caught thinking independently of their indoctrinators; I assume that would be a felony these days.

  126. Clay Boggess says:

    It’s the parents of the disruptive students that need a spanking and the best way to do that is to go after their wallets. Maybe then they will start disciplining their own children.

    Clay Boggess
    http://www.bigeventfundraising.com

  127. Jackson says:

    It’s just another unconstituional way government has made another way to separate the people from their money. Parents should go to court and plead ‘not guilty’ as there is no “corpus delecti’. When governent issues a ‘ticket’ to you they are accusing you of a crime. The US Constitution says that for there to be a crime there must be a victim. Someone was injured or their civil rights were stepped on. If there is ‘no body of a crime’ there is no valid cause for action and hence there is no standing for the court. A government functonary can’t accuse you of a crime as the goverment is there to protect your civil rights under the constitution. MY OPINION, NOT LEGAL ADVICE. IF YOU WANT LEGAL ADVICE SEE AN ATTY. or you can represent yourself ‘pro se’. Your call, not mine.

  128. gentle ben says:

    This entire thread is a sad commentary on the American family. Parents are responsible for the education of their children, not the state. Government schools are nothing more than centers for the indoctrination of socialism into the next generation. So when our children grow up forsaking their faith, disrespecting their parents, and glorifying human intellect and reason over the wisdom of Holy Scripture, an entire generation is lost, and that nation is destined for mediocrity.

  129. truth hurts says:

    Wow! $600,000.00 from DISD alone. Great way to start the school to prison pipeline. All those corporate owned prisons are counting on it.

    Good job. I wonder how many tickets have been distributed to our youth across the entire metroplex.

  130. Judith says:

    I think everyone should just stop having kids, then we won’t have these school problems. And for you adults posting that can’t spell or use proper punctuation–go back to school and learn how!

  131. R Young says:

    It’s all about money. They collect money instead of paying for a teacher staying for detention. They do not care about the children just making money.

  132. David Tomlinson says:

    What?

    Handing out misdemeanor TICKETS which can cost as much as FIVE HUNDRED dollars to students as young as SIX for infractions as MINOR as truancy, disrupting class, or fistfights is just plain wrong. I think they did that in Soviet Russia, too. Have to train those six-year-olds to unquestionably follow authority.

    You people arguing about spanking are completely missing the point. When you have no freedoms left in five years because you were too busy bickering amongst yourselves while your usurper government was busy instituting a dictatorship behind your backs, you have no one to blame but yourselves.

  133. joe jericho says:

    What’s in the water there? Sounds liike something out of SF, Portland or Seattle.

  134. Spanky T Smackme says:

    NO TICKETS NECESSARY…………

    The problem is entirely with the LAZY teachers……Once a child crosses the door into the school, they belong to the dept. of education, and therfore it is the TEACHERS responsibility to discipline them and make order in the class, NOT to cop out and issue tickets for a court decide the issue.

    Thats part of the problem with this country, to many people who are supposed to be in charge pass the buck to someone else..We have way too many lawyer types involed with our lives as it is and DONT NEED any more.
    \
    Do your job without passing the buck.

  135. John says:

    These kids now have criminal records?

    Only in Texas.

  136. Basil says:

    “The district’s number one priority is safety and the learning environment should never be compromised. …”

    That explains it! I always thought a school’s first priority was educating the students.

    Silly me.

  137. Brooke Doris says:

    Texas is a police state and should NEVER be emulated or praised.

  138. alayna ross says:

    kids are kids and that is what they are for now. You can’t realy blame them for being a kid can you. The kid doesn’t have the money to pay for the fine so it would make it so that the parent would have to pay and after they pay the school they would have to pay their loyer by the time they payed all of the money they wouldnt have the money to pay so that their kid can go to school. So it would make it so that the kid can not learn and if the kid can’t learn it would mean that the kid will end up on the road when they get older

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